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THE ROOM BEHIND THE RACING LIBRARY

When I retired in 2000 I had nothing to do and lot s of time to do it in. I thought that music was interesting and that I’d try getting a really good system and seeing if I enjoyed listening to music. I bought a series of NAD and Onkyo receivers and amps and a pair of Dunlavy SCIV. The sound was much better than I’d heard in a system and I thought this was great. I bought hundreds of cd, listened to the masters and decided I really liked music, most music. I still don’t really understand atonal or people yelling at each other. I used to think rap was what people did on doors and tables. I’d like to keep my ignorance in place on that one.

Then one evening I was having dinner at my usual restaurant hangout and after drinking a bottle of wine with a man who lived a few doors down from the restaurant, he invited me to listen to his music system. I was stunned. He had a Levinson Amp (331) with Teal speakers and Meridian cd and preamp with silver cables.WOW! I was in love. I’d never imagined that sound from a machine could be like that. I do owe Tony a thank you, for he showed me the light. A switch truly went on for me that night. Thank you.

After about ten minutes I realized that my ears hurt. I knew it was too bright, but ZAP!

I wanted to hear that clarity, that detail and I wanted to hear it for more than ten minutes without my ears hurting.

So, out went the receivers (actually I gave them to my three children) and in came Levinson gear. Since, I’ve been through ten or so amps and a few speakers and a few cables, cd players and turntables.

I’ve learned a lot of what works and what’s smoke. In wine, everything you need to know about it is in the glass you’re drinking, right now. Nope, you don’t need to know the grape picker’s name, nor the vintner, nor the name of the town, plot or mix of fruit.

You just need to know what’s in your glass. TODAY. I suppose by now you’ve figured out that I’ve tried a few glasses of wine. Yup. I stopped guessing how many bottles I’ve participated in after the 50,000 mark. No, that wasn’t yesterday. The benefit I’ve found of getting old is that you can’t remember when you stopped remembering.

I’ve come to see audio in exactly the same light as wine. I’m interested in what works, I can hear and I can feel. Once it takes an explanation to decide if it’s there, it’s not. If it feels like the music is wrong, lifeless, brittle, bright or skewed, toss the gear that caused it.

Around 2003 I bit the bullet and flipped for the design and engineering of a room by Rives Audio. It cost me the rebuild of our home. I could not find a single contractor willing to take on the room project. They clearly were so nervous about the details that they would not do it. On August 25, 2004 the room was nearly finished and the equipment was placed in it to hear what money can buy.

It’s pretty damn good!

It’s truly the best of everything I’ve heard in equipment and design. I grant those others with similar situations that there’s may be better rooms and sound, but I haven’t been to visit them and can’t say from experience.

What stands out to me in and from my room is that it feels small. It is actually 24’7” feet long and 15’2” feed wide where the speakers are located. The ceiling runs from 9’1” to 11’6” at the peak. The walls are not parallel, nor is the ceiling with the floor. And it does feel small. I believe it a combination of the oversize chair on a platform along with the monster truck sized speakers. They are 7’6” tall and 30” deep. When I have the equipment along side the chair, there isn’t much room to get past. I think I’m going to make a change in the seating. There goes my retirement fund.

The technical side of the room is Von Schweikert VR11's, Two DarTZeel stereo amps tri-wired, EMM Labs DCC2,Emm Labs CDSD Jena Labs interconnects and speaker wires, Jena Labs with a separate electrical panel fed from the top of the main panel and a separate HVAC system with acoustical dampening. The room is a floating system by Kinetics and what you see is in fact floating on a separate floor four inches below the current floor. The walls were built on the floating floor producing substantial isolation from the rest of the house. The rooms below are treated as well. There is a lot of sheetrock hanging on our walls. Waaay too much.

Having the room designed by Rives produced a set of plans which my licensed architect reviewed and then added support for. We now have two steel beams and three wood beams supporting the floor below the floor.

Pertusson’s corollary to Murphy’s Law raised it’s ugly head and true to it, “No job is so simple that it can’t be done wrong”. In spite of excellent design, engineering and effort, neither the construction manager nor those at Rives Audio ever asked each other if the plans they were each talking about were the same. They weren’t. Rives revised the plans and the contractor did not have them. Only months into the project when it became obvious that there were differences while on conference calls, did I learn that I wouldn’t be having front bass traps and that the window was offset. The first question that should be asked between designer and contractor is, what version plans do you have?

Issues arose during construction including isolating the steel column’s and room below the audio room sonically from the audio room. One is my children’s living room and the other is the boiler room. Each has loud distracting noises in it. We used a hanging isolated ceiling in the living room to keep the psycho music and video from being heard upstairs. That works well. The boiler needs more isolation and we will build a room within the boiler room to isolate it from the HVAC for the audio room.

There are two prices to pay for huge speakers. One is the obvious lot’sa money. The other is the speakers weigh in around 1000 pounds each, come in three shipping crates and need a couple of power lifters to install. Yes, call the gym first, before ordering to insure the availability of help. Our room is in the rear of the house which puts it ten feet above the driveway with no paved smooth walk to the rear. Problem! This problem needs to be addressed. It took five hours to install the speakers between bringing the six crates to the deck and actually hoisting them in place. The bookcase you see in the pictures is the actual door to the room. It is not a very wide opening and presents problems to bring in large objects. The speaker were tuned by Albert Von Schweikert and Kevin Malmgren. They measured the room and tuned and placed them in one night. Speaker placement is not critical, but position combined with seating position produces a variety of hall images.

I still am working on my vinyl setup and there are a few small details left in the room to do.

If you’re crazy enough about audio and have the willingness and ability to make it happen, I recommend taking the plunge into extreme audio. It’s a constant amazement that such beauty can be reproduced, for me (and you too).

Bill E.

Lakefrontroad
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Components Toggle details

    • DarTZeel NHB-108
    100WPC Very Solid State of the Art
    • EMT 948
    1970 Pro Table with built in line stage
    • Dynavector XV-1S
    on order
    • SRA Ohio Classe XL Iso Base
    (2) Amp Stands
    • Jena Labs 240 Volt 5 Wire (2)
    3' used with a Tenor Amp
    • Jena Labs 240 Volt 7 Wire (3)
    Used with the Audio Aero Capitole II, Aesthetix Power Supplies (2)

Comments 199

Owner
System edited: New story, same story line.

lakefrontroad

Owner
The stone is for the cd equipment. It needs to be made deeper by about three inches. I'll use diffrent stone for the extension which will be in the rear. The current stone is marble.

Tim,

I know how it's configured and it still doesn't make sense to me.

Mike,

There's always time for races and vacation.
Frankly, I'm stunned by how good this is. It's so natural and relaxed. It just sounds like music. The room still isn't complete and things like records in the racks, carpet and underpadding, which were incorporated into the design aren't here and we're using substitutes for them, probably will produce more dampening when finished. Also, I'm going to try adding rear dampening material on the side walls to see if the bass trapping which was designed and not installed will make a difference. The inner door which seals the room needs to be cut down to compensate for the finished treads. This will then pressurize the room and should add new dimensions. The AC contractor is working on removing the
25hz 50 db motor noise which comes in behind the amps from the AC motor. They are preared to make dampening boxes if necessary.

We need more and bigger power cords in 230v, and biwired speaker cables so that we tri wire the speakers from the same monoblock.

More fun, more work.

More later.

lakefrontroad

One word: "Woof". Rives (and you, of course) has done it again.

slipknot1

CONGRATULATIONS ... 'sounds' like it was worth the headache, sweat, and the wait

thom_y

WOW!! Congrats Bill!!

looks great.....but why such small speakers?

:^)

from what Jonathan said on the phone last night it sounds awesome. i gotta hear the VR-11's.

you must feel like a proud papa. there is a new 'beast in the east'. i like the stealth door concept.

with a room like that when will you find time to jet off to your home in Paris or race your cars......life must be tough.

hang in there buddy.

mikelavigne

I thought my savoy's were big. System looks great.

ericp

Owner
System edited: Here are pictures of the room.

lakefrontroad

so ... did they arrive ?

thom_y

Hey Bill, With this latest batch of pictures it makes a LOT more sense, things were awfully confusing before, now it makes sense how the room is configured. Wish I could have made it tomorrow I am sure it will be an experience worth well experiencing! Hope it goes painlessly, you need a break after all the turmoil surrounding this project.

tireguy

Beautiful Bill! Keep 'em coming. This looks like a winner. Question: The stone shelf under the window. Is that the equipment location? Is it granite?

slipknot1

Owner
System edited: There really are pictures now. Speakers tomorrow. Bill

lakefrontroad

Owner
I keep having problems with the uploads.

I'll get this right as soon as possible.

Bill E

lakefrontroad

Please, please don't forget to post pictures!! I am anxiously awaiting the finished room/system images and your first impressions. No doubt countless others feel the same.

dlwask

Your desciptions thus far of the room have me on edge waiting for pictures. Sounds world class.

slipknot1

The excitement is building ... perhaps more people have been following this thread compared to the Olympics ... Aug 26 is just one week away !

thom_y

Owner
Today is July 23rd. The floor has been installed, the stone installed for the equipment bench, the chairs ordered, the electrical roughed and the reflecting panels installed. Next is the installation of the final electric, charging the hvac system, painting and installation of the record cases.

The speakers arrive August 23rd and we'll tune on August 26th.

Pictures to follos when my son adds them. Notice how long it's taken already.

Bill

lakefrontroad

Owner
Yes. The final system for now is the VON Scheweikerts, the 300 mono Tenors the DCC-2, Philips transport, Jenas and I'm thinking about vinyl.

I hear that the steel will be in place soon and the room can be built. The HVAC equipment in at the house and I will be home from this trip Tuesday night. I'm looking forward to seeing the grand mess starting to disappear.

I'll have new pictures soon.

Bill

lakefrontroad

Hey Bill, very nice indeed. So are the VonSchweikerts staying?...sorry I have to ask since I dont read the comments either!

kehut

So Bill if your on that side of the pond, how did you get the pictures? Finally the room is happening!! I am looking forward to hearing it and visit in a more relaxed atmosphere for a change :o) Talk to you soon!

tireguy

Owner
System edited: It is true! I really have paid for the Von-Schweikerts and own Kharma Exquisites, and two pairs of Kharma Midi-Grands. It would appear that I have the makings of the world's best surround system. Instead, I think it's long overdue that I started to sell off the speakers I don't intend to use and have paid for. So... I intend to sell the Exquisites and one pair of the Midi Grands. The ac for the room arrived yesterday. We're awaiting the steel supports and the isolation system so that we can build the inner room. Rives Audio is guilty for all of this. If it works, I'm getting the credit. If it doesn't work, Rives is getting the blame. That's why we hire consultants. Isn't it? The EMM labs should arrive within days and now it'll be time to buy a rack and turntable. More and less to come. 4/9/04 from Verberie, Fr. Bill E

lakefrontroad

Owner
System edited: Okay. Now I have speakers. Thanks for noticing. The room finally has been demo'd. The windows filled in. The new windows installed. More when I return home Tuesday. Pictures for sure. Bill E

lakefrontroad

Themadmilkman- There are no speakers listed because Bill no longer uses speakers he plugs in directly to the amps- its a little crazy but its the way he is :^)

tireguy

Not to be a stickler for details, but your speakers aren't listed in your equipment. You do mention them but don't list them.

Could you fix that for idiots like me who don't like to read?

themadmilkman

Owner
Well Tim, the room is history. The house is tossed. No decks, kitchen, baths, floors, windows and sanity. The room will be closed in by Friday and they are going to begin with the steel supports and framing the inner room. The new equipment is mostly here. The other pair of Midi-Grands are being stored for me by the kindly Doctor. Thanks!

It appears that we are on schedule and the Theater will be done at the same time. Completion date closer to May 1, but still there is a completion date.

I'm going to add a turntable and keep the records. I like them.

I'll add pictures.

Bill E

lakefrontroad

Hey Bill looks like the same crappy room to me :o)As you know I am very eager to hear just how much better this room is going to be.

Are you still on the other side of the pond?

tireguy

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