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THE ROOM BEHIND THE RACING LIBRARY

When I retired in 2000 I had nothing to do and lot s of time to do it in. I thought that music was interesting and that I’d try getting a really good system and seeing if I enjoyed listening to music. I bought a series of NAD and Onkyo receivers and amps and a pair of Dunlavy SCIV. The sound was much better than I’d heard in a system and I thought this was great. I bought hundreds of cd, listened to the masters and decided I really liked music, most music. I still don’t really understand atonal or people yelling at each other. I used to think rap was what people did on doors and tables. I’d like to keep my ignorance in place on that one.

Then one evening I was having dinner at my usual restaurant hangout and after drinking a bottle of wine with a man who lived a few doors down from the restaurant, he invited me to listen to his music system. I was stunned. He had a Levinson Amp (331) with Teal speakers and Meridian cd and preamp with silver cables.WOW! I was in love. I’d never imagined that sound from a machine could be like that. I do owe Tony a thank you, for he showed me the light. A switch truly went on for me that night. Thank you.

After about ten minutes I realized that my ears hurt. I knew it was too bright, but ZAP!

I wanted to hear that clarity, that detail and I wanted to hear it for more than ten minutes without my ears hurting.

So, out went the receivers (actually I gave them to my three children) and in came Levinson gear. Since, I’ve been through ten or so amps and a few speakers and a few cables, cd players and turntables.

I’ve learned a lot of what works and what’s smoke. In wine, everything you need to know about it is in the glass you’re drinking, right now. Nope, you don’t need to know the grape picker’s name, nor the vintner, nor the name of the town, plot or mix of fruit.

You just need to know what’s in your glass. TODAY. I suppose by now you’ve figured out that I’ve tried a few glasses of wine. Yup. I stopped guessing how many bottles I’ve participated in after the 50,000 mark. No, that wasn’t yesterday. The benefit I’ve found of getting old is that you can’t remember when you stopped remembering.

I’ve come to see audio in exactly the same light as wine. I’m interested in what works, I can hear and I can feel. Once it takes an explanation to decide if it’s there, it’s not. If it feels like the music is wrong, lifeless, brittle, bright or skewed, toss the gear that caused it.

Around 2003 I bit the bullet and flipped for the design and engineering of a room by Rives Audio. It cost me the rebuild of our home. I could not find a single contractor willing to take on the room project. They clearly were so nervous about the details that they would not do it. On August 25, 2004 the room was nearly finished and the equipment was placed in it to hear what money can buy.

It’s pretty damn good!

It’s truly the best of everything I’ve heard in equipment and design. I grant those others with similar situations that there’s may be better rooms and sound, but I haven’t been to visit them and can’t say from experience.

What stands out to me in and from my room is that it feels small. It is actually 24’7” feet long and 15’2” feed wide where the speakers are located. The ceiling runs from 9’1” to 11’6” at the peak. The walls are not parallel, nor is the ceiling with the floor. And it does feel small. I believe it a combination of the oversize chair on a platform along with the monster truck sized speakers. They are 7’6” tall and 30” deep. When I have the equipment along side the chair, there isn’t much room to get past. I think I’m going to make a change in the seating. There goes my retirement fund.

The technical side of the room is Von Schweikert VR11's, Two DarTZeel stereo amps tri-wired, EMM Labs DCC2,Emm Labs CDSD Jena Labs interconnects and speaker wires, Jena Labs with a separate electrical panel fed from the top of the main panel and a separate HVAC system with acoustical dampening. The room is a floating system by Kinetics and what you see is in fact floating on a separate floor four inches below the current floor. The walls were built on the floating floor producing substantial isolation from the rest of the house. The rooms below are treated as well. There is a lot of sheetrock hanging on our walls. Waaay too much.

Having the room designed by Rives produced a set of plans which my licensed architect reviewed and then added support for. We now have two steel beams and three wood beams supporting the floor below the floor.

Pertusson’s corollary to Murphy’s Law raised it’s ugly head and true to it, “No job is so simple that it can’t be done wrong”. In spite of excellent design, engineering and effort, neither the construction manager nor those at Rives Audio ever asked each other if the plans they were each talking about were the same. They weren’t. Rives revised the plans and the contractor did not have them. Only months into the project when it became obvious that there were differences while on conference calls, did I learn that I wouldn’t be having front bass traps and that the window was offset. The first question that should be asked between designer and contractor is, what version plans do you have?

Issues arose during construction including isolating the steel column’s and room below the audio room sonically from the audio room. One is my children’s living room and the other is the boiler room. Each has loud distracting noises in it. We used a hanging isolated ceiling in the living room to keep the psycho music and video from being heard upstairs. That works well. The boiler needs more isolation and we will build a room within the boiler room to isolate it from the HVAC for the audio room.

There are two prices to pay for huge speakers. One is the obvious lot’sa money. The other is the speakers weigh in around 1000 pounds each, come in three shipping crates and need a couple of power lifters to install. Yes, call the gym first, before ordering to insure the availability of help. Our room is in the rear of the house which puts it ten feet above the driveway with no paved smooth walk to the rear. Problem! This problem needs to be addressed. It took five hours to install the speakers between bringing the six crates to the deck and actually hoisting them in place. The bookcase you see in the pictures is the actual door to the room. It is not a very wide opening and presents problems to bring in large objects. The speaker were tuned by Albert Von Schweikert and Kevin Malmgren. They measured the room and tuned and placed them in one night. Speaker placement is not critical, but position combined with seating position produces a variety of hall images.

I still am working on my vinyl setup and there are a few small details left in the room to do.

If you’re crazy enough about audio and have the willingness and ability to make it happen, I recommend taking the plunge into extreme audio. It’s a constant amazement that such beauty can be reproduced, for me (and you too).

Bill E.

Lakefrontroad
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Components Toggle details

    • DarTZeel NHB-108
    100WPC Very Solid State of the Art
    • EMT 948
    1970 Pro Table with built in line stage
    • Dynavector XV-1S
    on order
    • SRA Ohio Classe XL Iso Base
    (2) Amp Stands
    • Jena Labs 240 Volt 5 Wire (2)
    3' used with a Tenor Amp
    • Jena Labs 240 Volt 7 Wire (3)
    Used with the Audio Aero Capitole II, Aesthetix Power Supplies (2)

Comments 199

Speaking of carpet, I generally hate carpet. Right now my house is strictly hardwood floors, except for the bathrooms which are tiled.

Nonetheless I realize as you point out, how important it can be in a dedicated listening room. In my new room I will have hardwood floors, but I am wondering how big does an area rug or the carpeted area need to be in order to do it's thing. That is does it need to be wall to wall or can it just occupy the area in front of the speakers up to the sweet spot ? Another of my stupid questions.

thom_y

Nice carpet.

jtinn

Owner
First, I moved the Tenors to improve the cable layout. I have two 240v single outlets in front of the amp placements and one 240v and one 120v outlet behind each in the corner. All are floor installed. When the amps are turned it provides the shortest distance between the amps and the speakers which allows me to move the speakers to various room placements with the shorter speaker cables which I believe are six feet. The separated placement provides the maximum walking room to the cd transports and DAC.

That black box is a Panasonic H1000. It is my progressive scan DVD player and if my f....... Philips SACD 1000 worked or if my f....... EMM LABS CDSD existed, I wouldn't be using.

It is a very poor substitute for a transport. In spite of that, the music sounds real. By the way, it's flaking also.

Thanks for asking.

Bill E.

lakefrontroad

why did you move and hide those Tenor beauties ?

I have been curious, what is the black box below the emm labs DCC2 ?

thom_y

Owner
I found plush wool broadloom at ABC Carpet in NY. Price was a bargain, considering alternatives. Bought Wednesday, delivered Friday, installed Monday.

The sound immediately changed. The apparent base increase and became extremely tight. Considering the change, difficult to decide if slightly exagerated. Now, the following day, does not appear to be base hump. It's actually surprising to me the remarkable difference the carpet makes. I had not expected such a substantial damping of highs and mid-highs.

Now it's kinda done. I await a second chair as in the picture and my listening chair which is larger and much more comfortable. I figured that I should have a couple of extra chairs for guests, should there ever be any and one killer comfortable chair for me. Yes, for me!

Clearly I need more CD storage. I'll deal with this after the room is measured acoustically and treatments adjusted accordingly.

I need to decide on a phono and phono stage stand.

Those to be determined.

My enjoyment increases with improvements in the room.

I will upload latest pictures when I find the uplink cord my son grabbed from me.

lakefrontroad

nice uncle bill! can't wait to visit and see. (if im allowed in it!)

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Lakefrontroad,
I put an all wool Iranian Tabriz (8.5 x 11) in my listening room for a very reasonable amount. Take a look at the offerings from Rugman
If you are partial to Eastern, Asian, Oriental, Tribals their pricing is pretty reasonable. I purchased a 50 year old Tabriz that looks like it had never been stepped on.

slipknot1

Owner
Viggen, thanks. My quasi local carpet vendor, ABC Carpet in NY carries their goods. On their website they describe the cost PER SQUARE FOOT. That reminds me of my younger days when we counted certain things by the ounce. Carpet by the square foot, WOW!

Just to share my astonishment. That exceeds my daughter's annual college costs. That poor girl just doesn't know she's about to be out of family support.

That reminds me that our older son probably will have the same problem in his graduate EE program when I hear the costs of the wire upgrades and the vinyl system.

It's just about time that children started being more responsible and grew up.

Mejames, I have been aware that the use of natural fiber carpet is only half the equation. The natural padding improves the damping and dispersion. It also feels really cool. Thanks. Finding it for less than the national budget of Grenada is the problem. I never thought I'd have to go back to work to buy the carpet for the back of my listening room.

lakefrontroad

Bill put some natural fiber type carpet padding under your carpet it has more uniform frequency absorption characteristics compared too the foam rubber type padding

mejames

I thought people build secret doors to their toy room to hide the ENTRANCE not the EXIT.

= P

Here's a site for some good wool carpets.

http://www.elsoncompany.com/

viggen

Owner
You know it only costs about $9/gallon from the pump for 112 octane. What a new industry, bootlegged Michael Schumacher exhaust gas. Who would know?

This only proves there are minions more insane that audiophiles... F1 race fans.

Now back to audio, where can I buy plush 100% wool carpet in 15 foot widths in the US?

lakefrontroad

Last year Michael made over 250m w/endorsements, the highest paid athlete in the world. Sounds expensive but NO one else can do what he can do! They sell his exhaust gas bottled for $800 a bottle and its thought to be a sound investment, just don't open the jar :^)

tireguy

Owner
I believe it's the size of fight in the driver not the driver in the fight. I bet with 50+ M/year he has really small speakers. Now, me... I need really big speakers.

lakefrontroad

I hate to see the size of Schumacher's speakers !

thom_y

Owner
It's always best to look where you're going.

Bill E.

lakefrontroad

Why are you standing up in the car and looking backwards? :)

jtinn

Owner
System edited: Okay. I'm guilty. I just had to do it. It's me in the Spice (1990 GTP in a race this year at Watkins Glen passing the Aston Martin).

lakefrontroad

Owner
Sure. It's not good for transportation. Gets three miles per gallon and doesn't go a bit over 225 mph.

But around the corners, dynomite.

lakefrontroad

lol we're not talking an R88C are we???

tireguy

That Phil Collins answer cracked me up!

I am probably the only person on earth who will appreciate that last comment :)

I have a question for yo, how can a guy with 120k speakers own a Nissan?

jtinn

Owner
I don't like people laffing at meeeeee!

Stop it!
I answered your question.
Now stop making fun of me.

Bill E.

lakefrontroad

hahahaha :)

jtinn

Owner
Phil Collins of course.

lakefrontroad

What is that third record from the left on the second shelf?

jtinn

Thanks so much for uploading your latest pictures. As you say, it's hard, from the photos, to comprehend that the room is 24 by 15 due to the humungous speakers. I admire your commitment to the cause and hope that fine tuning can make this system/room perform to your obviously high expectations.

Looking forward to the next installment, particularly the analogue front-end.

Regards,

metralla

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