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December 2024
Replaced the Oppo UDP-205 with the T+A DAC 200

April 2024
Moved the GIK Monster Bass traps from back wall to front of the room to control bass. This tightened the bass as well as opened up the mid-range and treble notes. Did not realize that the change would be so profound. Should have done this years ago.

Feb-2024
Added another Puron filter

Jan-2024
Added a Puron filter

Oct-2022
Added the Mazda 1960s grey plates 12AU7 to the Rhumba. They opened my eyes (and ears) as to why people are ready to pay so much for NOS tubes.

Aug-2022
Added Isoacoustic mini-pucks beneath the Inakustik and audio server.
Added a custom built audio server to replace the aging Asus laptop. I did not realize how much profound effect a dedicated server has on the quality of the sound.

Oct-2021
Added the ISO-puck mini under the Backert Labs Rhumba 1.3 and Oppo UDP-205.
Added Isoacoustic Carpet spikes for Gaia II.

Aug-2021
Added the AudioQuest Foglifters. Initially added for "looks" and cable dressing. But found that it adds finesse and delicacy to instruments in the music. My guess is the contact area of the cable from the original wooden raisers has reduced more than 90% and that might be the reason. I am happy.

July-2021
Added the GIK 242 ceiling panel that balanced the sound from the left speaker, that was getting missed due to the unavoidable soffit in the room. So much to learn from your own experience.

Dec-2020
Purchased the Fidelizer PRO. This has immensely changed the listening experience. Folks using a Windows machine should certainly give a shot to the free version. You have nothing to loose except 5 minutes. The best part of free version is it is an exe files that you run and not install. So if you don't like it, just delete the .exe.

Oct-2020
Upgraded Asus K52 with a Asus S400CA, 8GB RAM and 1TB SSD. Again, this is an older laptop repurposed for audio. Also added a NAS server and all audio files are on that server. Connection to this server is via ethernet and not wifi. Evaluating the free version of Fidelizer which makes very audible, positive change in my system.

Jul-2020
Repurposed an old laptop for streaming Spotify/Qobuz and also digital files. The laptop was upgraded from 3GB to 8GB RAM and from 250GB HDD to 1TB SSD for DSD and FLAC files. Installed Foobar2000 with Eole skin on the laptop to play the digital files. Using an old iPad mini 2 tablet with MonkeyMote to control this laptop remotely. Love this app!
Installed the Inakustik Reference High Speed USB between the laptop and Oppo 205, which is now used as a DAC.

Jun-2020
Added Inakustik NF-2404 XLRs between Oppo-Backert and Backert-Parasound.
Will try to find some time to do a mini review of these cables, if I find time. These cables pull you into the music way too much.

Mar-2020
Added Inakustik LS-2404 AIR biwire loudspeaker cables

Nov-2019
Added the IsoAcoustics Gaia II footers to the ProAcs

Jun-2019
Added the Inakustik AC-3500p power conditioner in the system.

Nov-2018
Replaced the Promitheus Reference C-core TVC with Backert Labs Rhumba 1.3 preamplifier

Jan-2018
Replaced the Quad 21L with the ProAc D48R in Ebony.

October-2017
Replaced the Teac CD-1000 SACD player with Oppo UDP-205 universal disc player.

September-2015
Replaced the Marantz SACD player with Teac CD-1000.

May-2015
New room finished in April. Room is 19 X 15 X 8. Three walls were already in place (concrete). Had the 4th wall built with double drywalls inside/outside and using GreenGlue. 2 dedicated 10gauge 20 amp lines for amps and electronics. Speakers are 4 feet from back wall and 3 feet from side wall. Placement of speakers, chair, panels etc are within 1/8th inch tolerance. Replaced Signal Cable power cables with Cullen Cables Crossover Series power cords, because I needed longer and flexible cables.

Feb-2015
Replaced Signal Cable Silver Resolution RCAs between Marantz and TVC with Clear Day's RCA cables.

Sep-2014
Replaced Signal Cable Silver Resolution XLR between TVC and amp with Clear Day's XLR cables.

Aug-2014
Replaced the Signal Cable Silver Resolution bi-wires with Clear Day Double Shotguns and jumpers between HF and LF speaker terminals.

04-Dec-2013:
Replaced original wooden footers under TVCs with Ebony footers. Simply unbelievable - what they did.

February 2012 - September 2012:
Been exited to have a dedicated room for this "passion". This word was emphasized by a female family friend. She was amazed by how passionately I could go on and on about this hobby. She likes classical music. Soon after we moved into our first home, I did post some questions on this forum about french doors. Those are in place now and I am happy with their looks. Per my wife (touch wood), I need to place something on the door panels for preventing reflections and maintaining privacy. Her support for me in this hobby has been outstanding and I would not have reached this far, if not for her. So, that treatment on the door will come sometimes later this year. This is a small room with 13.5'X12.5'X9' dimensions. I painted this room myself (first time, never did this before). The speakers are placed along the shorter wall. They are 40" from front wall and about 30" from side walls. They are about 7' apart with some toe-in. I sit slightly more than 7' away. All measurements are within 1/10" error. Finding the optimum position for speaker took me about 24 to 30 man hours. Though this is painful, the outcome of this exercise is mind-boggling. Got some granite to go between the floor and speakers. These are 18"X18"X1.5". This has tightened the bass and has provided necessary isolation from the wooden floor below. At the same time, added Herbie Audio Lab's Extra Thick Hush Puckies under the speaker spikes and the granite. This causes the speaker to not "ring" and provides stability to the speakers, because of the dBNeutralizer base. Since this is my own space, I added some treatments from GIK. Bryan Pape at GIK was very helpful and actually told me to go easy on the treatments. We started with 2 Tri-traps on the corners and 2 Monster Panels on the back wall directly behind the listening position. I liked the way the bass tightened up. Bryan suggested the 244 instead of 242s on the first reflection panels to take care of any phase issues as well. And that has turned pretty nice. Also got the terminations on the speaker wires changed from spades to BFA bananas. I am totally sold on the BFAs. Superb contact and fit. Some of you advised me to move the equipments from between the speakers. Though I could not do it 100%, what I did was, to disassemble the rack and use the shelfs on the floor directly. But the resulting change in the sound staging is simply fantastic. I never imagined that a rack placed between 2 speakers can mess the soundstage. With all this in place I did miss some "meat" in my system. But I thought it was the size of the room that was causing the nulls and there was probably nothing I could do. What finally brought "life" in my system was the new XLRs between the preamp (TVC) and the amp. The move from RCA to XLR in my system was nothing short of drastic. I have mentioned this on this site as well as a forum dedicated to Parasound Halo products. Apparently, there was not enough gain in my system and so the "meat" was missing on the bones, if you will. This was not so obvious in the previous apartment room, since it was small and the speakers used to be closer to the walls. In the near future, I would like to add 3 242 GIK panels on the front wall, behind the speakers. Will first experiment with the existing Monster Panels on the front wall.


March 2010:
The Parasound amp has changed my system profoundly. I cannot believe the transparency and expansiveness it has brought into my system. And it seems a very good match for my TVC as I set the TVC volume to lower levels than my previous amp.

April 2009: Added the Promitheus TVC, which took my system to an altogether different level. I did not imagine of such a performance from my system. Looking for a good power amp now. Want a power amp with high sensitivity and power - to match the TVC and also in case I upgrade my speakers at a later time.

August-2005
It took many listening sessions, forums, mags, etc to build this starter system. Was worth every minute spent for building it. Started with recommended components list - but ended with what my ears liked.
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Room Details

Dimensions: 19’ × 15’  Medium
Ceiling: 8’


Components Toggle details

    • ProAc Response D48R Loudspeakers
    Ebony with Ribbon tweeter.
    • Parasound A21
    250 watts RMS x 2, 20 Hz - 20 kHz,8Ω, Class AB Sensitivity: 1 V for 28.28 V
    • Backert Labs Rhumba 1.3
    Tube preamplifier with 2 X 12AU7 tubes
    • T+A DAC 200
    True 1-bit converter - processes DSD files in their native form
    Uses 4 32-bit Burr-Brown converters per channel for PCM processing
    • Custom build Audio Server Audio Server
    Custom built audio server for streaming FLAC/DSD files and also other streaming services. Based on Streacom FC10 Alpha chassis. Running HQ Player for converting files to DSD 512
    • Signalyst HQ Player
    High quality file processor/player for converting FLAC files to 512 DSD
    • Inakustik Reference Power Station AC-3500P
    Power Conditioner
    • Inakustik LS-2404 Air
    Bi-wire speaker cables
    • Inakustik NF-2404 Air
    XLR Cables
    • Inakustik Reference High Speed USB
    USB cable
    • Inakustik 2502F
    Power Cord
    • Furutech FI-28(R)/FI-32(R)
    • Cullen Cables Crossover Series 10 AWG
    Amplifier Power Cord
    • Cullen Cables Crossover Series 12 AWG
    SACD player power cord
    • IsoAcoustics Gaia II
    Isolation footers for loudspeakers
    • IsoAcoustics Gaia II Carpet Spikes
    Carpet Spikes for the Gaia II
    • IsoAcoustics ISO-puck mini
    Footers under the preamp and DAC
    • AudioQuest Fog Lifters
    Cable dressers and system enhancers.
    • World Market Kendall Chair
    Very comfortable chair. Suede. No support directly behind the head which means sound is not distorted. I was searching for something like this for quite some time. I looked at some LC2 and LC3 knock-offs. But they were all leather that could reflect sound. Chocolate color which also matches the GIK panels.
    • GIK Acoustics Tri-Trap
    For front corners behind the speakers, in coffee color.
    • GIK Acoustics Monster Bass Trap
    Mounted on the wall behind listening seat.
    • GIK Acoustics 244 Bass Trap
    Absorption panel in Coffee color, mounted at first reflection points, that also takes care of phase related issues. Plan to get 2 more to go in the center of the room behind the speakers.
    • GIK Acoustics 242 broadband panel
    2' X 2' absorption panel
    • Porterhouse Audio Porter Ports
    • Puron
    Power filter
    • Apple iPad Gen 9
    iPad 9th generation for controlling Foobar2000 using MonkeyMote, Spotify and Oppo UDP-205 remote.

Comments 308

Owner
Owner
System edited: Adding 3 useful links: [url=http://www.acoustic.ua/forms/calculator4.en.html]First Reflections[/url] [url=http://www.bobgolds.com/Mode/RoomModes.htm]Room Modes calculator[/url] [url=http://www.hunecke.de/en/calculators/loudspeakers.html]Loudspeaker placement calculator[/url]

milpai

Owner
Thanks B_Limo.
Yes, enjoying the music ever more! It is crazy what some footers can do in your system. Besides that I got some cool LEDs for my room. Will put out some pics during the holidays.

You got better toys than what I did. Those Jamos look cool. How do you like their sound compared to the Paradigms that you had? You need to update your system pics soon with the Jamos. I am sure they look great in your setup.

I want to get a nice SACD player. The Oppo 105 is a good option. But I am waiting to see if anything new comes up during CES 2014. I generally hang on to my players for a long time. I wish I could get a SACD/CD transport and a DSD DAC for about $4K. No options like these in the market. They are all ultra expensive.

milpai

:-)
Looking good Milpai! Good to see you are still enjoying the music and getting new toys for the rig.

I just added a porter port to the set-up today and am listening to some new speakers I got two days ago (some Jamo 803 with Seas Excel drivers!).

Anyways, hope you and the family have a great holiday season.

b_limo

Owner
System edited: This site is dedicated to people who believe in good sound and music. Yes - SOUND - because that is what fascinates us audiophiles. We love some good music and the way it is re-created in our homes. We go to any extent to achieve the best possible sound within our reach/means. And we do stuff that ordinary folks get baffled with. Like these footers that I recently put under my TVC - replacing the original footers that came with the TVC. I have been meaning to replace the original ones for quite some time, but could not decide on the replacements. Finally I decided to try the ebony cones that Promitheus themselves and some members here and other forums recommend. I purchased them from ebay from a genuine seller. I installed it last week and somehow been regretting. Not regretting purchasing the footers, but regretting why did I now do this 3 years back! All I can say is - now I am a big believer in what some good footers can do. Here are a few things that I cannot explain why the footers do, in my system: 1. Increased upper bass and bass definition 2. "Definition" improvements in all areas 3. "Lengthened decay" at the end of a song - but not ringing 4. Added more "naturalness" to the instruments I cannot explain the last one enough. It is like going from arid to moist. The sound stage seems to have come forward a bit and I have to go down on the sound level by one notch. The improvements by these ebony footers are almost what I heard when moving from Nordost 4Flats to Signal Cable Silver Resolution speaker cables. Localization has improved so much that sometimes it seems uncanny. I should also mention that I have added 2 more GIK 244 panels on back walls to tame more reflections - about 2-3 months back. They also helped improve the sound stage. But these footers are something else. Happy Holidays everyone and enjoy your music.!

milpai

Owner
System edited: Changed the title to "Searching...." today. Because I have started my search for a new source. I initially wanted the Marantz SA-11S3. But I have also been considering the Oppo BDP-105. And reading all the positive reviews of the Oppo, I have started asking myself, if the Marantz is worth the price difference? I would like to hear from anyone who has experienced both these players in their system.

milpai

Owner
Thank You Lapierre.
I am more eager to see your new room/system, as I have gone through many of your "Answers" on this site and I know that you have collected tons of info to improve your system :-)

milpai

Good question. Will do my due diligence.

lapierre

Owner
Congratulations on the Florida house. And good to know that you are all settled with the new house. I will be eager to see your system updates soon. I know that you have done a lot of research on various equipment in the past few months.

If you are at the New York Audio show, please do try to find out from the manufacturers, whether they plan to do a firmware update on SACD players so that their USB inputs can be used to play DSD downloads. I am surprised to find that all SACD players what have digital inputs, including USB type-B, cannot be used as DSD DACs.

milpai

Mil-

Researching DACs myself. Will research more @ New York Audio Show.

House search has finally ended. House sold in Florida. HUMBLE!

Time to start enjoying my dedicated music room in 21 days.

lapierre

Owner
B_lim0,
Thanks! Wife got the decal from Hobby Lobby. She says there are tons of stuff for my room...but she says it is time to look at the other room too and stop spending on my room :-)
The Salamander stand was purchased in 2008. I was using it in my apartment. When I moved into this house, I decided to keep the equipment on the floor thinking that the stand was causing "imaging" issues. Turns out that I was not as careful with speaker placement in apartments, as much as I did in this house. Even with the stand in place, the image does not move or is diffused. The "panels on the center wall" is a awesome thing!! The only thing I did not do this time with the stand is use the topmost shelf. That might cause some reflection issues, since it is plain without any components on it.
Thank You for the offer on letting me try the DAC. I have lend to my colleague, my pair of Signal Cable RCAs to try out. He recently purchased a Prima Luna Integrated and is soon going to get the Anthony Gallo Classico CL-3 speakers. He has a 20 year old Phillips CDP that he plans to use as a transport and get a DAC. He is the one who put the DAC idea in my mind.

milpai

Hey, Mil! I like the decal; where did yourwife get it? I want one! I like your new stand also. Lookin sharp! I got my 4 gik 244 panels up and am loving the difference in sound. I took the t.v. Down but decided to put it back up because I couldn't find the parts for the bottom of the tv so I could place it on a table and take it in and out of the room for when my girl and I were watching movies. Anyhow, it's nice to see that your system is continually evolving into something you enjoy more and more :-)
P.s. if I ever get my v dacii back you can borrow it and see what you think if you'd like!

b_limo

Owner
Hi Lapierre,
I am not sure I need them. They are expensive too. I have achieved the sound stage I was looking for. Maybe I should listen to some demo systems to find out what I am missing. Plan to do this when I visit the local Marantz and Esoteric dealers sometimes in future. Currently researching into SACD players and DACs. Had never thought about DACs; but looks like that is the direction for future. My perfect player would have SACD playback with 24/192 and DSD inputs :-)
How is your new home search coming? You already moved in and have a dedicated room?
Thanks!

milpai

Diffusors in the future?

lapierre

Nice classy looking system and room Milpai. I'm sure it will give you years and years of enjoyment. You've done a very neat installation of your system.

photon46

Owner
System edited: Wife got a new decal for the room :-)

milpai

Owner
That's funny B_limo.
But I think, besides the first reflection panels on the side walls, the 2 panels on the wall in between the speakers that you are going to do, it going to be a HUGE positive effect. Of course to get this, the TV needs to come down. The center wall treatment is something may of us with SMALLER rooms, SHOULD do.
I understand that you are enjoying the new speakers. The GIKs will take your enjoyment to the next level. Enjoy your music!!

milpai

Milpai, I've only got four 244 panels coming right now but I think I'm going to put one on each side wall and then the remaining two on the front wall. I think I 'm going to take the t.v. down that is mounted on my front wall too. I think the panels will make a big difference. It's kind of funny that my system seems to be following yours, from cables to speaker placement to panels to passive pre amp; shoot, it would have just been easier for me to rent your room, two hours a day, five days s week...

b_limo

Owner
Thank You B_limo. Actually I do not miss the remote at all. With TVC, you set the volume once (twice for me because of dual mono) and enjoy the sound. I am sure you will enjoy the TVC. The GIKs will also make a lot of positive difference. Besides the regular placement, for me, the 2 GOK panels on the wall between the 2 speakers "locked" the image. They made a profound difference and I recommend that placement to everyone.

milpai

I like your system even more now Milpai that I know a bit about your amp and the tvc. I'm really looking forward to my gik panels and my lightspeed! How is it though, not having a remote?

b_limo

Owner
B_limo,
I think the biggest difference was the panels on the wall between the speakers. This made substantial difference in stabilizing the imaging. The difference in Poang and Jappling were not as noteworthy.

milpai

Hey Mil, did you notice a difference in sound when you switched to the jappling because it doesn't have a headrest, therefore there weren't any reflections or absorbtion going on directly by your ears?

b_limo

Owner
Highend64,
The Parasound is musical and resolving. The Quads sound awesome with that extra power.....especially when I have to listen late into the night at low volume. The bass is tight with this amp and the details come out very well. Honestly, the power amp of my previous integrated was my only reference. But very happy with this amp.

milpai

Thanks for your comments Milpai. It is sad that I had to downgrade but I will recover. I have not compare my system to any others because I don't have a reference. All I know is I'm happy with the sound.

How does the Parasound A21 sound to you? Thanks

highend64

Owner
I put the 244 on the front wall, since I wanted broadband treatment.

milpai

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