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December 2024
Replaced the Oppo UDP-205 with the T+A DAC 200

April 2024
Moved the GIK Monster Bass traps from back wall to front of the room to control bass. This tightened the bass as well as opened up the mid-range and treble notes. Did not realize that the change would be so profound. Should have done this years ago.

Feb-2024
Added another Puron filter

Jan-2024
Added a Puron filter

Oct-2022
Added the Mazda 1960s grey plates 12AU7 to the Rhumba. They opened my eyes (and ears) as to why people are ready to pay so much for NOS tubes.

Aug-2022
Added Isoacoustic mini-pucks beneath the Inakustik and audio server.
Added a custom built audio server to replace the aging Asus laptop. I did not realize how much profound effect a dedicated server has on the quality of the sound.

Oct-2021
Added the ISO-puck mini under the Backert Labs Rhumba 1.3 and Oppo UDP-205.
Added Isoacoustic Carpet spikes for Gaia II.

Aug-2021
Added the AudioQuest Foglifters. Initially added for "looks" and cable dressing. But found that it adds finesse and delicacy to instruments in the music. My guess is the contact area of the cable from the original wooden raisers has reduced more than 90% and that might be the reason. I am happy.

July-2021
Added the GIK 242 ceiling panel that balanced the sound from the left speaker, that was getting missed due to the unavoidable soffit in the room. So much to learn from your own experience.

Dec-2020
Purchased the Fidelizer PRO. This has immensely changed the listening experience. Folks using a Windows machine should certainly give a shot to the free version. You have nothing to loose except 5 minutes. The best part of free version is it is an exe files that you run and not install. So if you don't like it, just delete the .exe.

Oct-2020
Upgraded Asus K52 with a Asus S400CA, 8GB RAM and 1TB SSD. Again, this is an older laptop repurposed for audio. Also added a NAS server and all audio files are on that server. Connection to this server is via ethernet and not wifi. Evaluating the free version of Fidelizer which makes very audible, positive change in my system.

Jul-2020
Repurposed an old laptop for streaming Spotify/Qobuz and also digital files. The laptop was upgraded from 3GB to 8GB RAM and from 250GB HDD to 1TB SSD for DSD and FLAC files. Installed Foobar2000 with Eole skin on the laptop to play the digital files. Using an old iPad mini 2 tablet with MonkeyMote to control this laptop remotely. Love this app!
Installed the Inakustik Reference High Speed USB between the laptop and Oppo 205, which is now used as a DAC.

Jun-2020
Added Inakustik NF-2404 XLRs between Oppo-Backert and Backert-Parasound.
Will try to find some time to do a mini review of these cables, if I find time. These cables pull you into the music way too much.

Mar-2020
Added Inakustik LS-2404 AIR biwire loudspeaker cables

Nov-2019
Added the IsoAcoustics Gaia II footers to the ProAcs

Jun-2019
Added the Inakustik AC-3500p power conditioner in the system.

Nov-2018
Replaced the Promitheus Reference C-core TVC with Backert Labs Rhumba 1.3 preamplifier

Jan-2018
Replaced the Quad 21L with the ProAc D48R in Ebony.

October-2017
Replaced the Teac CD-1000 SACD player with Oppo UDP-205 universal disc player.

September-2015
Replaced the Marantz SACD player with Teac CD-1000.

May-2015
New room finished in April. Room is 19 X 15 X 8. Three walls were already in place (concrete). Had the 4th wall built with double drywalls inside/outside and using GreenGlue. 2 dedicated 10gauge 20 amp lines for amps and electronics. Speakers are 4 feet from back wall and 3 feet from side wall. Placement of speakers, chair, panels etc are within 1/8th inch tolerance. Replaced Signal Cable power cables with Cullen Cables Crossover Series power cords, because I needed longer and flexible cables.

Feb-2015
Replaced Signal Cable Silver Resolution RCAs between Marantz and TVC with Clear Day's RCA cables.

Sep-2014
Replaced Signal Cable Silver Resolution XLR between TVC and amp with Clear Day's XLR cables.

Aug-2014
Replaced the Signal Cable Silver Resolution bi-wires with Clear Day Double Shotguns and jumpers between HF and LF speaker terminals.

04-Dec-2013:
Replaced original wooden footers under TVCs with Ebony footers. Simply unbelievable - what they did.

February 2012 - September 2012:
Been exited to have a dedicated room for this "passion". This word was emphasized by a female family friend. She was amazed by how passionately I could go on and on about this hobby. She likes classical music. Soon after we moved into our first home, I did post some questions on this forum about french doors. Those are in place now and I am happy with their looks. Per my wife (touch wood), I need to place something on the door panels for preventing reflections and maintaining privacy. Her support for me in this hobby has been outstanding and I would not have reached this far, if not for her. So, that treatment on the door will come sometimes later this year. This is a small room with 13.5'X12.5'X9' dimensions. I painted this room myself (first time, never did this before). The speakers are placed along the shorter wall. They are 40" from front wall and about 30" from side walls. They are about 7' apart with some toe-in. I sit slightly more than 7' away. All measurements are within 1/10" error. Finding the optimum position for speaker took me about 24 to 30 man hours. Though this is painful, the outcome of this exercise is mind-boggling. Got some granite to go between the floor and speakers. These are 18"X18"X1.5". This has tightened the bass and has provided necessary isolation from the wooden floor below. At the same time, added Herbie Audio Lab's Extra Thick Hush Puckies under the speaker spikes and the granite. This causes the speaker to not "ring" and provides stability to the speakers, because of the dBNeutralizer base. Since this is my own space, I added some treatments from GIK. Bryan Pape at GIK was very helpful and actually told me to go easy on the treatments. We started with 2 Tri-traps on the corners and 2 Monster Panels on the back wall directly behind the listening position. I liked the way the bass tightened up. Bryan suggested the 244 instead of 242s on the first reflection panels to take care of any phase issues as well. And that has turned pretty nice. Also got the terminations on the speaker wires changed from spades to BFA bananas. I am totally sold on the BFAs. Superb contact and fit. Some of you advised me to move the equipments from between the speakers. Though I could not do it 100%, what I did was, to disassemble the rack and use the shelfs on the floor directly. But the resulting change in the sound staging is simply fantastic. I never imagined that a rack placed between 2 speakers can mess the soundstage. With all this in place I did miss some "meat" in my system. But I thought it was the size of the room that was causing the nulls and there was probably nothing I could do. What finally brought "life" in my system was the new XLRs between the preamp (TVC) and the amp. The move from RCA to XLR in my system was nothing short of drastic. I have mentioned this on this site as well as a forum dedicated to Parasound Halo products. Apparently, there was not enough gain in my system and so the "meat" was missing on the bones, if you will. This was not so obvious in the previous apartment room, since it was small and the speakers used to be closer to the walls. In the near future, I would like to add 3 242 GIK panels on the front wall, behind the speakers. Will first experiment with the existing Monster Panels on the front wall.


March 2010:
The Parasound amp has changed my system profoundly. I cannot believe the transparency and expansiveness it has brought into my system. And it seems a very good match for my TVC as I set the TVC volume to lower levels than my previous amp.

April 2009: Added the Promitheus TVC, which took my system to an altogether different level. I did not imagine of such a performance from my system. Looking for a good power amp now. Want a power amp with high sensitivity and power - to match the TVC and also in case I upgrade my speakers at a later time.

August-2005
It took many listening sessions, forums, mags, etc to build this starter system. Was worth every minute spent for building it. Started with recommended components list - but ended with what my ears liked.
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Room Details

Dimensions: 19’ × 15’  Medium
Ceiling: 8’


Components Toggle details

    • ProAc Response D48R Loudspeakers
    Ebony with Ribbon tweeter.
    • Parasound A21
    250 watts RMS x 2, 20 Hz - 20 kHz,8Ω, Class AB Sensitivity: 1 V for 28.28 V
    • Backert Labs Rhumba 1.3
    Tube preamplifier with 2 X 12AU7 tubes
    • T+A DAC 200
    True 1-bit converter - processes DSD files in their native form
    Uses 4 32-bit Burr-Brown converters per channel for PCM processing
    • Custom build Audio Server Audio Server
    Custom built audio server for streaming FLAC/DSD files and also other streaming services. Based on Streacom FC10 Alpha chassis. Running HQ Player for converting files to DSD 512
    • Signalyst HQ Player
    High quality file processor/player for converting FLAC files to 512 DSD
    • Inakustik Reference Power Station AC-3500P
    Power Conditioner
    • Inakustik LS-2404 Air
    Bi-wire speaker cables
    • Inakustik NF-2404 Air
    XLR Cables
    • Inakustik Reference High Speed USB
    USB cable
    • Inakustik 2502F
    Power Cord
    • Furutech FI-28(R)/FI-32(R)
    • Cullen Cables Crossover Series 10 AWG
    Amplifier Power Cord
    • Cullen Cables Crossover Series 12 AWG
    SACD player power cord
    • IsoAcoustics Gaia II
    Isolation footers for loudspeakers
    • IsoAcoustics Gaia II Carpet Spikes
    Carpet Spikes for the Gaia II
    • IsoAcoustics ISO-puck mini
    Footers under the preamp and DAC
    • AudioQuest Fog Lifters
    Cable dressers and system enhancers.
    • World Market Kendall Chair
    Very comfortable chair. Suede. No support directly behind the head which means sound is not distorted. I was searching for something like this for quite some time. I looked at some LC2 and LC3 knock-offs. But they were all leather that could reflect sound. Chocolate color which also matches the GIK panels.
    • GIK Acoustics Tri-Trap
    For front corners behind the speakers, in coffee color.
    • GIK Acoustics Monster Bass Trap
    Mounted on the wall behind listening seat.
    • GIK Acoustics 244 Bass Trap
    Absorption panel in Coffee color, mounted at first reflection points, that also takes care of phase related issues. Plan to get 2 more to go in the center of the room behind the speakers.
    • GIK Acoustics 242 broadband panel
    2' X 2' absorption panel
    • Porterhouse Audio Porter Ports
    • Puron
    Power filter
    • Apple iPad Gen 9
    iPad 9th generation for controlling Foobar2000 using MonkeyMote, Spotify and Oppo UDP-205 remote.

Comments 308

Owner
Hmm. This time I re-read your thread links and the changes that many people had in their system, because of the fuse change. I am thinking of opening up my amp and taking a look inside. Thanks for the encouragement :-)

milpai

OK - you should only do what you are comfortable doing. It might be fun for you to take the cover off your amp and look at the workings. If the fuses are readily available on top of everything, changing them may not be as complicated as you think. In any case, enjoy listening to your system!

knownothing

Owner
Knownothing,
Thanks for your kind words on my setup and advise about the fuses. Trust me, I tried to post on this forum (and others) about the fuses for NAD amplifiers. But I have not got much information. And on top of it, I wrote to NAD, and the engineer told me that there were no "user replaceable fuses" in my amp. I am completely with you on the fuse treatment - no doubt about that. But I am a bit skeptical to open my amp.

BTW, you have a misnomer. You seems to know quite Something :-)

Thanks,

milpai

Actually, I forgot to mention Isoclean fuses as another alternative. Here is some information on those:

http://www.aaudioimports.com/ShowProduct.asp?hProduct=37

http://www.vhaudio.com/fuses.html#isoclean

knownothing

Milpai,

Saw your response on a thread on 21LS. Great system! I have a modest AMC integrated amplifier and am using custom built silver jumpers that really take the resolution up a notch as well. One other thing you might try that could add significantly to the performance of you amplifier and forestall up-grade-itis is to replace the stock fuses with high quality silver fuses. I did this with my system and was shocked at the improvement in the "naturalness" of the presentation - easily as large a change as that provided by the silver jumpers.

The cable company sells HiFi Tuning fuses (what I use):

http://www.thecableco.com/prodListing.php?cat=53

and Xindak silver fuses (much cheaper, read that they are a little brighter than the HiFi Tuning fuses):

http://www.china-highend-hifi.com/prod0212121111342.htm

You need to open the top of your amp and look at the fuses inside to determine what kind it uses, and order number and type accordingly. I had to do this because I inadvertently shorted out my speaker cables and blew all the fuses in my amp.

No soldering involved but incredible improvement once the fuses have burned in.

Description of process and sound improvement here:

http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?ymisc&1192881548&openusid&zzKnownothing&4&5#Knownothing

knownothing

I upgraded the jumpers next will be the power chord for me to. The speakers I'm using are b&w dm 601 s3 bookshelves, they make a great combination. For me , there is something very special about vinyl sound wise and also in a nostalgic way, wouldn't be able to live without it!

decapg

Owner
Thanks Decapg. The NAD C352 is a very capable amp. I compared it to Rotel and Arcam before purchasing it. And if you replace the power chord and pre-amp jumpers, the sound quality goes up a notch. It is pretty noticeable.
To answer your question about turntable: I do not want to go the TT route. Maintenance and high cost keep me away. I would rather hope for the SACD to survive. I feel that SACD is as good as Vinyl, without the maintenance. Of course the vinyl guys will never accept that. But I am fine with SACD.
BTW, what front end you have and the speakers to go with?

milpai

Very nice simple system, I myself owned NAD equipment in the past and decided to go back to a NAD integrated , I currently own the c352 , great amp for the price! Have you thought of a turntable ? Or do should I ask, do you listen to vinyl?

decapg

Owner
System edited: Some of my friends/colleagues complained about the picture quality. I have updated some, but for the rest of the components, I will do later sometimes.

milpai

Owner
Thanks Mapman.

Yes, it sounds very good. I have been in listening rooms at some dealers with mega-gears. But the pleasure that I get out of my system is so much more. I have yet to upload a better picture of my listening room and the Quad speakers. I will do it ASAP.

milpai

Simple is good.

Bet it sounds great! Love those Quads!

mapman

Owner
System edited: Finally got time to update the site on the changes that I made in my system. I have replaced the Nordost with Signal Cable Silver Resolution Bi-wires. Added pre-amp jumpers from the same company. Brought in my cassette deck from the older system. Added an Oppo universal player for listening to CD-RWs. The Oppo is for background listening, when I do my office work or miscellaneous chores. The speaker wire upgrade is the best thing that happened to me - especially after the break-in period. The resolution and details retrieval has gone up to a completely different level. Cymbals sound like real cymbals. Imaging is pin point. And those who say that speakers don't disappear with a NAD integrated are DEAD wrong. I can only imagine what improvements my system will have if I replace the NAD with a more expensive amp. I have the urge but priorities are different. I will look at Blue Circle, Red Wine Audio, LDF, etc. But for right now, I am very happy with my setup!!

milpai

Owner
Jmlab926,
I think the new Marantz SA8001 may suit your needs. But if in future I would change my SACD player, then I would move in the $1500-$2500 range.

milpai

i sold my sa8260
it cannot read sacd again
could you inform some players at the $1000 price range

jmlab926

Owner
System edited: Added a Cassette Deck to the system. Love the music made by cassettes!!

milpai

Owner
"Listening is not absolutely pleasure"
should be
"Listening is NOW absolutely pleasure"

milpai

Owner
System edited: Moved to a new apartment where the Quads have enough breathing space. Also the window is covered with a thick cloth. This has made the change in sound staging and localization. Listening is not absolutely pleasure. A dedicated listening room is the best upgrade rather than equipment upgrade. My basic NAD C352 sounds so good now, that the urge to upgrade has gone away. The speakers are thworing a soundstage/music as if they have just been broken in again. The listening sessions are now getting extended beyond my regular 2-3 hours!! Will look forward to small tweaks like feet for amp/cd player and a better audio stand.

milpai

Owner
Thank you Keyarae. The bass from the cables is pretty good with the Quads. I have never felt the bass anemic. It is more than I require. For the price I really like them...no complaints.

milpai

How do you like those cables, speaker cables, how is the bass like,let me know!!!!!!\
Enjoy nice system!!!!
Nordost 4 Flat Bi-wires

keyarae

Owner
Thanks Brent. Nothing much compared to yours.

milpai

Nice set up dude

knollbrent

Owner
System edited: Finally decided on a quality headphones and purchased the Grado SR80. Luv the music they make, especially playing the SACDs through the Marantz SA8260.

milpai

Owner
Need to add a fullsize headphone for latenight sessions.

milpai

Owner
Thanks Kozine. But me and my wife really don't care too much about video. So you see that basic TV and the Cyberhome DVD player on top of it. Maybe I will get a flatscreen SXRD/DLP later next year.

milpai

You have the wonderful 21L. It has definitely better bass response than my 12L. Before I bought them, I was thinking of the 22Ls. But, I had the rare AE2 stands which I used it for my AE Signature Series II speakers last time. I didn't wanna waste them and i got the 12L instead. And added the L sub for better bass response. If I have gotten the 22Ls, I would not have bought the L sub. For your system, you might wanna think of better screens. haha. I have just upgraded my screen to the apple cinema display. Pictures will be posted later.

kozine

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