In my small dedicated listening room with vault ceilings this is the best system so far. Sonus Faber Guarneri Homage's which were some of the last pair to be brought into the US along with new Jadis JA 30 Mk2 Mono Blocks utilizing KT150's and Smooth Plate Telefunken tubes, a CAT SL1 Renaissance Black Path BPX with phono. The Linn LP12 Radikal D, Karousel/Kore is the front-end with a Lyra Kleos. Esoteric DV60 SACD player, Esoteric D-05 DAC, Alternate ss amp: Jeff Rowland model 8T modded by Jeff. Room tuning devices include the Real Traps Mondo Traps, Mini Traps and Shakti Hallograph's. Grand Prix Monaco amp stands. Audio Art SE-1 power cords with Furutech connectors.Zenwave power cord PL1 with Furutech NCF 50, Zenwave D2 Ultra ic's, Graceline 1.5 meter ic and Black Cat PC-1 Silverstar power cord for Rowland. Two REL T5i subs...running high level off the amp outputs and with Signal subwoofer cables and Supra pc's. Nessie Vinylcleaner.
Man, all this talk makes me want to sell my Evolutions and get the GHs! :). In all seriousness, the GH are spectacular speakers! I was actually holding out for a pair but was able to get the Evolutions for what I consider a great deal. I cannot complain. Maybe one day i can get the GHs for a second system. Hmmmm...
Thanks Lloyd. I completely agree that the design of speakers is definitely part art and part science. I think Franco hit one out of the park with the GH's. To this day, there isn't a small speaker made that I would either trade for...or say is in any way superior to the GH's. Pavpet, why not start a systems page and show all of us your system with photos?...I am sure many of us would love to see your system..I know I would.
I find the original Guarneri Homages have a magic in their balance which is rare. The G Evolutions signal may seem stronger, bolder, more modern/linear/whatever...but as a matter of personal taste, I somehow remain beguiled by the nuance of the original G. Its a funny thing, as it is clear to me that design is part science, part art still.
And for me the Gs are a work of art in the speaker world. Having been fortunate to own them, I would gladly have kept them rather than trade them in many years ago but we have 1 system and it seemed silly to just leave them for 'someday'. But if there is 1 speaker I would have otherwise gladly kept, it would likely have been the original Guarneris. Congrats to both of you.
Thanks guys the wyetech ruby 211 with RCA RADIOTRON TUBES is truly world class mono blocks , every time I turn them on , (listened 2 hours per night) I truly get goose bumps, they are spectacular to listen to , and to look at I'll send you photos if you like
Pavpet, you replaced the new SF Guarneri Evolutions with the GH's! I wonder how many others have done that, LOL. Having heard the new Evolutions on several occasions, I would agree that to my taste the GH's are more to my liking. However, IF I owned the Guarneri Evolutions, I'm not sure I would sell them at a probable loss- and seek out the very hard to find GH's. My hat is off to you my friend.
Pavpet, so that we are clear... you are saying that you used to own the GH's and now do NOT own the GH's!! The speakers that you are referring to that are paired with your Wyetech's are the SF Guarneri Evolutions. A VERY different speaker, IMHO.
Quick question for Pavpet.. in your thread on 'what to buy' you state that you own the SF Evolutions...a very different speaker to the GH's!! Am I missing something here??
I also tried wyetech sapphires 18 watts rms it drove the Guarneri very well as well , I listen to all types of jazz , at a good listening volume , room 12x18 x 8' ceilings I've always listened to big push pull amps , but was blown away by the sound f good SET amps (good ones only )
Charles, I think you misunderstood my point. My point is that you seem to believe that ALL SET's will be a better match to these speakers than any other type of amp. IME, that is absolutely NOT the case.( Nothing to do with Pavpet's likes or dislikes) IF Pavpet likes his 38 watt amps better than his previous higher powered AB amps, well that's great. I have to admit that I am a little suspicious that these amps will work well in a mid to large size room with the GH's, BUT since I haven't heard them, I am willing to be open minded about them. You on the other hand tend to just jump on the low powered SET band wagon and proclaim that these are great amps with the GH's. I think you REALLY need to understand that these speakers are NOT like your very high efficient Coincident's....these are a difficult load for most any amp. By suggesting otherwise, you may give the WRONG impression to anyone who is considering this speaker and IMHO that is a disservice. BTW, I will say this again, I own these speakers and listen to them on a daily basis ...you do NOT ( Plus, I know you have never heard the GH's). The fact that Pavpet likes his set-up is irrelevant to my points. We have no idea as to what Pavpet likes in his music reproduction or the size of his room. I may totally agree with his feelings or I may not...NOTHING to do with my opinion being more authoritative than his. At least he apparently owns the same speakers ( I say apparently as he doesn't seem to have a system page with any photos). I'm done on this conversation with you.
Daveyf, I respect your opinion and owner experience with this speaker, my liking SET amplifiers has nothing to do with Pavpet's actual experience with the same speakers. What would make your opinion more authoritative then his? He obviously knows this speaker's performance with higher wattage amplifiers (two that are well regarded) and yet stated the Wyetech is far better than either. My point is simply that his impressions are just as valid as yours. We've had this discussion before on two others threads and in those the Sonus Faber owners reported their SET amplifiers were a stellar match (same as Pavpet). These amplifiers may not satisfy your needs but they surely have for other very happy SF owners (as documented on this site). Not every SET would be a sucessfu choice, but certain models have proven to be a fine match. You and Pavpet could just have different listening priorities or goals. It isn't a case of one of you is right and the other is wrong. Charles,
Charles, It is possible that the power supplies of the 38 watt/ch Wyetech are up to driving the SF GH's.... I wouldn't know as I have not heard this combo. However, anyone believing that a flea powered SET ( shall we say 20 watts or less) will work well with these speakers, IMHO simply doesn't know the speaker in question. Unless one likes the sound of distortion, then staying away from the flea powered SET is the order of the day. I know you love low powered SET's Charles...I get that; BUT please understand that there are some speakers and rooms that aren't optimal for these type of amps...I happen to believe from my listening experience, that the inefficient SF GH's are one of them. Until you have actually experienced this combo, low powered SET's ( say 40 watts.ch and less) and SF GH's, then I don't think you can refute this. BTW, we still don't know how loud Pavpet listens ( or the kind of music he listens to), or the size of his room.
Daveyf, Your recommendations make sense based on your personal use of these speakers. What is so interesting is that pavpet did just what you suggest ( 200 watt ARC and a 250 watt CJ amplifiers). It seems the Wyetech has something very special in its favor to impress Pavpet(and his friend) to such an extent. Premium power supplies are crucial to achieve top performance sound quality. Charles,
It's certainly possible some will prefer these speakers with high quality SETs. Papvet clearly recounted that the Wyetech 38 watt amplifier convincingly outperformed his high power ARC and CJ amplifiers in his home. A reviewer said his Line Magnetic 845 SET outclassed his big transistor amplifier driving these same speakers in his system. In many cases quality will beat quantity. I can understand different listeners choosing either option. I suspect that the Wyetech has a stiffer PS than the ARC and CJ amplifiers(despite the Wyetech's lower power rating) and Papvet experience would support this likelihood. It's also possible that the Wyetech and Line Magnetic amplifiers may have superior output transformers as well. Power ratings on a specification sheet can be misleading sometimes. Charles,
I still believe that the SF GH's are NOT an easy load on an amp and are fairly inefficient. IMHO, matching them with low powered or flea powered SET amps is NOT going to result in a sound that most people will like, and therefore is not optimal. Clearly the size of one's room and the level to which one listens at are a factor. However, for those who are contemplating this speaker, I would suggest at least 45+ watts of stout power from the amp and much more if possible. Consider this-- my Jeff Rowland model 8 with 250 watts/ch even gets a work-out!
A friend has the wyetech ruby 300b same amp as mine only difference is his is 300b , mine is the ruby 211 with RCA tubes and he's driving sonus Amati futura 38 watts rms with no problem , another fella with full range vivid Gia's looking to purchase either ruby 211 or 300 b
Paypet, interesting that 38 watts can drive the GH's. Like Charles1dad says, they must have very stout transformers. I know my ARC D70Mk2 with 65 watts/ch can drive the GH's...wasn't sure anything with much less than that would work. Presumably, you are using a small room and not pushing the amps too much. If I get a chance, I will try and source a pair of the Wyetech Labs 211's and listen for myself...thanks for the recommendation.
Thanks Charles , I've been doing this since 1970 , the sound from single ended triode amps by wyetech labs truly amazing , as vie have still audio research 200 watt push pull , and had cj no comparison , the sound with wyetech labs 211 set amp with RCA radiotron tubes stunning
