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This mass coupled, multi arm table, will be a useful tool into the foray of analogue. Hopefully, it will be the last table I'll need.

More photos will be posted over the next 2 months as the project is compleated.
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    • DIY MK 1
    In May of 2006 I thought it might be fun to try and build, rather than buy, a turntable. The concept was as follows; Triangular plinth to accommodate 3 arms, each designed along different mechanical principles. Suspension, Pointed rather than sprung, with mechanical grounding of all components via large brass tiptoes. A platter using vacuum hold down rather than a center weight and ring clamp. Belt drive via 3 multi motor pods. Use of an epoxy/ lead matrix, where ever possible, to help dampen resonances. Implementation of an anti vibration device such as produced by Halcyonics, Vibraplane or Minus K Technologies. Last of all, build a dedicated, welded, tubular steel stand that would be filled with a lead shot / elastomeric material to reduce resonances. This stand would house the table, 3 electronic motor speed controllers, 3 phono head amps for 3 moving coil cartridges, and a high quality stereo pre amp to act as a switching device among the 3 cartridges. The pre amp would need balanced outputs so that I could locate the table anywhere within the listening room. The table is about 2 months from completion. The above photo, taken just before Christmas, shows most, but not all the design elements in place. This photo essay, along with brief descriptions of each step, may be of interest to anyone who ever deliberated the merits of the various table designs out there before making a final choice.
    • DIY MK 1 Plinth Pattern
    Since the triangular pedestal is the heart of the table, a pattern will be required in order to laminate the fiberglass mold into which the epoxy matrix will be poured. Shown is the MDF sheets being glued together from which the pattern will be fabricated. The dimensional stability and easy machinability of MDF makes this the material of choice. Note the table bearing well machined into the top 3 layers of MDF prior to gluing up step. The well side walls are tapered with a 3 % angle in order to facilitate demolding of the final part from the fiberglass mold.
    • DIY MK 1 Pattern Cut
    The pattern shown includes 3
    • DIY MK 1 Texture Added
    The accurate final assembly of the pods to the center pattern is accomplished by using biscuit joints and polyurethane glue. The black panels shown are the surfaces that have been laminated with slate textured, high pressure laminate.The remaining surfaces will be high gloss black. The contrast will not only be more attractive, but offer a more dimensional surface on which to mount the arms and levelers
    • DIY MK 1 Pattern Glue Up
    Assembly of the 4 pattern pieces requires tight, accurate clamping. The irregular shape means typical clamps may not fit the bill. A band clamp on the bottom and pinch dogs on the top keep the parts from shifting when the pressure is applied.
    • DIY MK 1 Pattern Coating Applied
    After the clamps are removed, a decorative chamfer is machined around the top perimeter of the pattern. After the slate surfaces are masked, the pattern is sprayed with a polyester pattern coating. When the coating cures, the pattern can be sanded and polished prior to the production of the fiberglass mold.
    • DIY MK 1 Lets Start Building A Mold
    The finished pattern is mounted to a mold plate, prepared with multiple coats of mold release wax, then sprayed with a poly vinyl alcohol film forming barrier coat. The dry PVA film can be compared to sheet of saran wrap that will prevent any bond between the pattern an the mold surface about to be applied over the pattern.
    • DIY MK 1 Surface Coat Applied First
    Shown is the application of the metal filled surface being sprayed over the pattern. The surface coat will generate a mirror of surface of the pattern that will become the performance surface of the production mold. This surface coat is a 2 part, catalyzed material, as compared to an air dry, solvent based paint. Once cured, it will be impervious to the chemical attack generated when the final production pedestal is cast.
    • DIY MK 1 Fiberglass Comes Next
    Laminating fiberglass re-enforcemint will add strength and bulk to the thin layer of surface coat that has been sprayed over the pattern. Multiple layers, that add up to 1/4 inch in thickness, will be required before we can proceed to the next step. The dark areas around the corners and edges come from the paste made from ground glass, calcium carbonate and cotton flock that was brushed on prior to the first layer of fiberglass. It will eliminate any small air pockets that may result from the difficulty in getting stiff glass fibers to conform to sharp inside and outside corners.
    • DIY MK 1 Rigidize The Laminate
    Even though a 1'4 inch laminate of fiberglass has a great degree of strength, it must have a substrate of some thickness to maintain rigidity and dimensional stability. Panels of MDF are bonded to the flat surfaces in order to accomplish the desired result. Another layer of fiberglass will go over the MDF panels to effect a sandwich type of construction that will guarantee dimensional stability for years to come. A box will then be bonded to the back of the laminate to facilitate easy handling.
    • DIY MK 1 Showtime!
    It's time to demold the pattern from the fiberglass mold. Shown at the top of the picture is the light gray pattern, with the darker gray fiberglass mold in the lower part of the picture.
    • DIY MK 1 Making The Plinth
    A few days later the mold has been sanded, polished and waxed. It's now ready to produce a final part. It will take some engineering to determine the size and shape of the aluminum plinth, along with the arm boards needed to accommodate the various tone arms and leveling vials. Because of these factors, it would be a good idea to laminate a trial horse off the mold to be used for experimentation. This photo shows the trial lamination, in black at the right, being demolded from the production mold,at the left, in light gray. This part is just a 1/4 inch thick fiberglass shell without any additional re-enforcement.
    • DIY MK 1 Trim Out Time
    Trimming out a fiberglass part is never a fun job, but it doesn't take that long and it only itches for a little while.
    • DIY MK 1 The Finished Plinth
    With 2000 grit sandpaper and a little polishing , and it's as shiny as new money.
    • DIY MK 1 Plinth Plate
    A mock up of the aluminum plinth plate, done in MDF makes it easy and inexpensive to work out the details before machining it in Aluminum.
    • DIY MK 1 Plinth Plate Mock Up
    Angles and measurements are accurately transferred to the MDF pattern, then cut to size.
    • DIY MK 1 Progress Check.
    With the vacuum platter on top, and the plinth plate on the bottom, things are taking shape. A few changes are made on the thickness and overall dimensions of the plinth plate, in order to maintain good proportions, and it's time for the next step.
    • DIY MK 1 Tip Toe Check
    Tip toes are mocked up in steel. Final parts to be in brass, but a thinner jam nut in brass is a must.
    • Dynavector DV 507 MK 11
    A Dynavector DV 507 MK II is shown ,sans head shell and counter weight, positioned on the first of three pods that each will accept a different type of tone arm.
    • Kuzma Air Line
    The Kuzma Air Line, to be mounted at the rear of the pedestal, will make an impressive contribution, not only to the performance but to the overall looks of the project.
    • Tri Plainer Mk V11
    My intention in choosing arms was to utilize 3 very different arm types.The Tri Plainer Mk VII, mounted on the third pod of the table, will complement the other 2 choices.
    • VPI Industries HRX Drive
    The drive unit of choice is the VPI HRX twin motor drive. Utilizing a 15 lb stainless steel flywheel, the added mass will go a long way to maximize the speed stability of the table.
    • VPI Industries SDS Controller
    The VPI SDS electronic controller was the natural choice for the HRX motor drive. 3 separate SDS controllers will power the 3 HRX motor drive units powering the platter.
    • DIY MK 1 Final Dimension Check
    Shown is the pedestal with the plinth, platter and all 3 arms positioned correctly with respect to
    • DIY MK 1 CNC Time
    The dimensions and angles of the mdf mock up of the plinth plate are transferred to a CNC machining center where the a 1- 1/2 inch thick aluminum slab is cut to the same dimensions, and the 1-1/2 fine threads are tapped to accept the tip toes.
    • DIY MK 1 Arm boards next
    A 3/4 inch thick aluminum arm board will be used to mount the various arms to the top of the pedestal. Note the inset vial level that will be used to continuously monitor the levelness of the table. A mock up tells me if my dimensions are correct before I proceed in aluminum.
    • DIY MK 1 Aluminum Arm Board
    The arm boards have been cut from 3/4 inch aluminum and the underside cored out removing almost 50 % of the aluminum. This cored area will then be filled in with a lead shot/ urethane elastomeric matrix that will dampen the resonance that might occur in a solid aluminum arm board.
    • DIY MK 1 Final Machining- Arm Board
    Additional machining on the top side includes a hole to access the top of the tip toe. Here a long T handle allen wrench can be inserted, fitting into the top of the tip toe, for easy adjustment of the pedestal height.
    • DIY MK 1 Arm Boards, Final Location
    Accurate location of the 4 mounting holes for the arm boards in the top of the plinth are laid out, along with the other holes for the arm cables, tip toe adjustment holes etc.
    • DIY MK 1 Secondary Fittings Installed
    Aluminum bars to accept the 10-32 threads for mounting of the arm boards , along with various pvc fittings to act as conduits for arm cables and tip toe adjustment, are epoxied in place.
    • DIY MK 1 Aluminum Motor Bases
    2 inch thick aluminum billet has been machined out to act as a bases for each of the 3 drive units. The drive units will be firmly bolted to these bases with a thin sheet of Isodamp in between for good contact. The chamfered edge has been maintained for continuity of the overall appearance of the unit.
    • DIY MK 1 Motor Bases- Underside
    As with the aluminum arm boards, the underside of the motor bases has been heavily cored out. This will then be filled with the same lead/ elastomeric matrix as used in the arm board. 3 holes are visible for the 1-1/2 dia threaded tip toes that will level and mechanically ground each motor drive unit.
    • DIY MK 1 Threads And Holes
    Threads for mounting the arm boards are tapped into the pedestal prior to it being filled with an epoxy / lead matrix. The holes for the signal cables and tip toe access are also drilled.
    • DIY MK 1 Final Plinth Polishing
    Final 2000 grit sanding and polishing of the plinth is done now. The next step will be to cast approximately 240 lbs of lead and epoxy fill into the underside. After that step it will be too heavy to handle for anything other than the final mounting on the aluminum plinth.

Comments 73

Hi Ken, your prject is wonderfool, beatifull and great. what is your use platter and bearing? how motors turning to platter(belt sheme)? three arms are my dreams. happy listening.

yildiray35

Owner
Hi Drayreynolds,

The infectious passion had to peak for me when I built my first line source speaker, that was almost 20 years ago. Until then , I was listening to a pair of Electro Voice Patricians I built in 1960. What a shift from Horn loaded speakers to Line Sources. Albert has ascended to his present system, after who knows how many years, that delivers his audio utopia thrill via a line source system. I will not speak for Albert, his thousand or so threads and responses, speak for themselves. I can only say, IMHO; A large room, properly designed, line source speakers, power amps many times larger than necessary, a VINYL music source, a woman that puts up with sound that is almost better than sex, is as good as it gets.

As, Nietzsche said, watch out for my spelling " Without music, life is meaningless." I will have that quotation across the front of my music room when it is finished.

Time, greater knowledge of what makes you happy, MUSIC, and someone to share it with, is what gets me up in the morning. My business also helps, it pays for everything; Albert will agree, reputation is the moniker of success.

So, sell your car, move into a loft with 12 ft ceilings, talk your better half into getting a part time job. Stay close to a Good Will or Salvation Army store. Old guys like Albert and me die all the time. The kids take all that vinyl trash to the drop off station to get that receipt for $100 for the records that aren't worth s--t. Keep your eyes open on Audiogon, to see if Albert or I die, then POUNCE on the remains.----- I wish you luck,-- I can't speak for Albert, he may liver forever!!

kftool

Owner
Albert,

I grew up in Milwaukee; Schlitz, Miller, Blatz, 905, Gettleman, Old Milwaukee, Bullfrog, Van Merit--16 ounces for the price of everyone elses 12 ounce bottles, and who knows how many other small brewers. I've been asked what the big brewerys looked like. All those years in Milwaukee, and I never set foot in a brewery. The closest I've ever been to an aging vat is in our local "Hopps" restaurant, and I don't even drink beer.

We can drive the Chevy around the block and pick up Sue at my front door. She 's all I can handle, the rest is up to you.>[kftool

Ken and Albert, you guys are a hoot. What an infectious passion for life... great stuff. Enjoy.

Aaron

drajreynolds

And maybe some German beer instead of Old Milwaukee?

If we go out in the "55 Chevy we can pick up some women. That worked for me in the past, but that was about 1965.

albertporter

Owner
Albert,

I'm making an assumption, based on the many postings on Audiogon, along with personal experience, that your audio knoweldge may be second only to your afinity for Mexican food, Indian food, any food, along with great beer. Old Milwaukee might not be a brand you've been familiar with, I hope.

Cars,---- My 55 Chevy is waiting to be reved up. I have it only because I have it. I don't get turned on the way I do when I find an LP that shivers my timbers. That 's why it's been sitting for 2 years. This summer I'll repaint it and get it to run so I can drive to Good Will to look for records. I'm sure that someone will offer me $500 for it in the parking lot.

Albert, I look forward to having you as my guest. As you know, I am a solid state guy, Krell from my kitchen sink to my driveway. I will have booze, ear plugs, women, Mexican food well-- maybe not women.

regards, Ken

kftool

You better hide the key, I love '55 Chevy's. If you let me behind the wheel, I may drive off into the sunset never to be heard from again.

albertporter

Good things takes time... but the rewards will be great.

DV

dewald_visser

Owner
Albert, you know the saying about the mountain and Mohammed. Mohammed had to go to the mountain. When my mountain is done, I'll send you a ticket. You can critique my work and enjoy the Chevy too, If I'll have it done by then.

With the number of projects I've got going, God will need to give me a few months notice before I die. That may be the only way everything will get finished!/]**

kftool

Ken, that turntable is going to be heavy for you to put in your truck and drive to my home for audition.

As long as your doing that, how about towing the '55 Chevy along as well, I would love to see and drive it. :^).

albertporter

Owner
Dear Kublakahn,,

I've been drooling over this project since Christmas 2005, it is my hope it will be done in another 3 months.

Audiophiles wonder why a tt needs to cost $10,000, $30,000 or $100,000 dollars. If God sent down the plans for the n'th degree table, it would sell for a lot less than the price of a cheap car.

God is with us all , but applying our talents , when we aren't profesionals in the field takes time. The internet will supply a boost to an idea , but not a solution to a problem. I've taken advantage of all the avalilable resources on this project and know I'll end up with satisfaction and great music. If I don't , I'll blame it on my 65 years old years

The project is getting closer to fruition; I'll be sending another 550 lbs of aluminum up to Conn. to be brushed and anodized to match my Krell gear. The table needs to have a stand that compliments the table and maintains the mechanical grounding of the system. I look forward to the return shipment so that requirement will be satisfied.

I will post pictures this weekend.

regards, Ken





Ken

kftool

Sweet JESUS! Drool worthy!

kublakhan

Owner
Hey Bruce,

Thanks for the posting.

There have been a few changes and additions to the project that slowed everything down. Summer is also a deterrent; more landscaping and weed pulling.

I had talked to VPI about getting 3 aluminum bases, as used for the HRX motor, but without the holes machined for the ac plug and on/ off switch. I planned on having them brushed and anodized in the Krell colors matching the rest of the table. After waiting for a couple months for them to order another batch from their machinist, I was told the next order was produced with all the holes in all the bases; someone forgot to order 3 different bases for me. I didn't want to wait for a year or so for them to order more bases, so I'm making a slate textured epoxy mold to laminate a shell to fit over, and bond to, the existing bases I now have. I'm going to send them to be brushed and anodized on the top so I'll get the appearance I'm looking for.

I also decided to build a stand/ base to hold everything. 2 plates of 1 1/2 inch Aluminum billet with chamfered corners and edges to match those supporting the table. That also meant 4 large brass tip toes and brass/ lead cups to accept them. All this extra machining also took a little more time and $$$.

Replacing the plain aluminum shroud around the Minus K with 1/2 inch aluminum plates is taking place now. The front plate will hold all the power switches, 2 air pressure gages for the Air lines, and a vacuum gage. I plan on using DC relays and controls to switch all the AC on and off. I want to keep ac away from any signal lines.

By the way, I sold the Tri Plainer and got another Kuzma Air Line instead, ergo the 2 air pressure gages. I would probably replace the Dynavector with another Air Line but the interchangable headshells will make it easy to switch between stereo and mono cartridges, so the Dynavector will stay.

The last batch of aluminum will go out to be brushed and anodized in about 2 weeks and will return in another 3 weeks. By then it should be time to assemble everything and see how it all sounds.

I'll take a few pictures of the stand parts and post them in a week or so, or so, or so####.

Bruce, thanks for the interest, ken

kftool

Ken:
What happen with the table ? You haven't posted for 2 months now & I'm every interested in the out come ,being a garage designer of audio racks & a vacuum recorder cleaner base on Keith Monks 70's design that some English company [no names] copied.
Bruce

brucel

Owner
Albert,

If I were your junior, I'd say you have me at a disadvantage, but since that's not the case, my only excuse is that I've never been a car guy. High end audio, photography, and great autos have always been known to go together. I know you have experience in all three, so I'll adopt your suggestion for a name, it sounds great. It is my hope the table will live up to the name.





kftool

Ken,

Do you remember the expression "Tri-Power"? The term coined by Pontiac for their triple carburated 347 cubic inch V8 powered cars.

Good name for the turntable :^).

albertporter

Owner
Drw50,

You're right, larger, more powerful motors will present more of a problem with vibration and noise isolation than smaller,less powerful units. Once the table is up to speed the only drag on the drive system is created by bearing friction and the drag force of the stylus as it navigates the record grooves.

The VPI HRX drive unit incorporates two 7 watt ac synchronous motors, low power in their own right. Together the pair drives a 15 lb flywheel that transfers its rotational energy to the platter, it then becomes the driving force in the system.

When I began to think about the design of this 3 arm table I knew there would be times when I'd have all 3 arms on the record simultaneously. It would enable me to see which of the 3 cartridges would sound best on that particular piece of music. The potential for excess drag could affect the speed accuracy of the table. That factor was the main reason for multiple drives. The original layout was for 2 arms and 2 drives. When I deciced to add a third arm the geometry forced me to add a third drive and maintain symetry with a triangular plinth. Sometimes projects seem to take on a life of their own, for me this one did.

kftool

A very impressive table, I look forward to seeing the final results. I always thought turntable designers tried to stay away from using a powerful motor or more than one motor due to noise, but I guess the VPI motors are very high performance anyway. Anyone know if it is better to use one VPI motor and, if need be, and hand push the platter to initialize the spin? Why would 3 motors be better? I'm a vinyl newbie so forgive my ignorance :)

drw50

Ken - just click on my 'System' link. There you can view the 'Moxey'...

Dewald

dewald_visser

Owner
Dewald,

It sounds as though you may have built a table for yourself. What was your design and how did it turn out?

I just finished shipping the aluminum pieces off to be brushed and annodized. It will be a few weeks before I'll get them back. By then I'll have the Minus K platform so I can assemble it all. I figure about 1 week for assembly and then it will be showtime. I'm laying out the stand for it now and it will be finished in about 1 month. Barring any unforscene problems, it should be playing music in about 5 or 6 weeks.



You mentioned "moxies," what are they?

regards, Ken

kftool

Ken, I am sure (from a similar experience) that your machine will sound extremely good and it may be possible even better than some of those uber expensive machines.

What has still to be done for you to listen to it?

I have to get my behind in gear to get moulds made for me to start producing my Moxies... I also want to cast them from a special 'cocktail'-resin.

Best regards,
Dewald

dewald_visser

Owner
Dewald,

I'm happy with the way it looks, very substantial. The way it will sound is still to be realized.

I spent 3 days at the CES last week. I only took the time to visit vinyl oriented rooms. If they didn't have a turntable, they were on my second tour of duty. It is unbelievable the number of turntables that were shown, and I photographed them all. The most expensive, Clearaudio Statement at $100,000; Continium, one at $90,000 and a cheaper one at about $50,000. For the weak of wallet, there were tables at about $400 and up.

There seems to be a race to the top in price, with $100,000 to be the champ until a discussion with an industry source, beyond reproach, and definitely IN THE LOOP, said. Not a quote; Goldmund is about to release a new Reference. $100,000 down with the order, and another $100,000 upon delivery. That is for the basic model, the deluxe version is another $160,000. Over a third of a million to play records!

I have no desire or intention to venture into the arena of gladiators offering turntables! I plan on enjoying my creation, regardless of how it may sound, and concentrate on a new project; maybe a super record cleaning machine.

Thanks for posting, and please do so again.

regards, Ken

kftool

Owner
Hi Mike'

Building this thing is fun, however, I'd also like to be listening to my Air Line tonight, as you're probably listening to yours, lucky dog. Instead, I'm building the crate for the 21 separate aluminum parts so I can ship them off to be brushed and annodized; in the Krell colors of gray and black, to match my Krell gear. My time will come.

I'll post a few new pictures next week, I hope they'll be of interest.

thanks Ken

kftool

Ken - looking good! Are you planning to manufacture? LOL!

DV

dewald_visser

Hi Ken
Your table looks really nice. I can see when you take on a project you jump in with both feet and then some. Keep updating the pictures and keep up the great no make that excellent work.
Mike

rugyboogie

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