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This system is built around the Apogee Centaur Major ribbon speakers. They are capable of painting an incredible image where musicians are distinctly placed in a 3-D space right in front of you. Incredibly small details (fingers drawn over strings, foot tapping, breathing, keys clicking, individual voices from the audience and their location) are plainly discernible. The goal of this system is to deliver the most accurate image possible with as tone that is realistic as possible. This includes soundstaging, detail, depth, tightness of image, and tonal accuracy throughout the frequency range. I want tonal neutrality, with neither a noticeable leanness or warmth.

I got these speakers from the original owner who is a very accommodating and gracious person. These speakers cost $1,500 and were in mint condition. They were made in ~1992. They would cost at least 7 times as much to purchase these speakers if they were made new today.

I have found that my vinyl player is clearly superior to my CD source. Both my analog and digital sources are Stereophile Class B rated (for what that is worth). Both sound very, very nice, but the vinyl unit is clearly the superior performer. I am shocked by the full-textured beauty that comes from my turntable sometimes.

I have heard several other Apogee owners' systems and they all prefer tubes in one way or another over solid state. I don't dislike tubes per se (I think they sound very nice), but I feel that the right solid state amplifier will give me a more accurate reproduction of the music, which is my goal. Tube warmth and fatness sounds nice, but to me it is not necessarily accurate and does not really fit the goals I have for my system. I want transparent solid state amplifiers with a rich tone that resolves the detail and instruments very well in space.

This system plays acoustic music (or music that is recorded and engineered like an acoustic session) extremely well. Poorly engineered, cacophonic rock music and the like doesn't sound good on this system because the poor recording quality becomes evident and it sounds like noise. Don't get me wrong, I love me some AC/DC and Bad Religion, but I usually listen to that kind of music in my car or on a system with a 1970's monster Kenwood KR-9600 receiver and The Advent/1 speakers. I usually listen to jazz, blues and classical on the Apogee system. My musical tastes are varied, however, including country, reggae and ska, rock and roll, rap, R&B, funk, latin, zydeco, bluegrass, etc.

One half of the living room (my listening room, 16' x 23') is set up as the dedicated hi-fi listening area. The Apogees are 4' 5" from the rear wall, 4' 11" apart from each other at the inner edge, and 8' from the listening position. The best listening position is relatively close to the speakers, which lets direct sound waves reach the listener faster and with greater amplitude than reflections from the rear and side walls. A rug was placed directly in front of the speakers. Vibrapods under the components isolate them extraordinarily well from the sharper foot fall vibrations. Bookshelves were placed on the rear wall and on the side of the speakers to reduce some reflections. Nothing is placed on the wall behind the speakers to amplify the three dimensional image produced by rear-firing sound waves from the dipole ribbons combined with the forward-firing waves. Placing the speakers 53" from the rear wall produces the optimal depth-of-field illusion.

Since I bought the base components of this system, I have replaced the ICs and amplifier. I replaced Nordost Red Dawn ICs with 1 Synergistic Research Tesla Accelerator (preamp -> amp) and 2 Gabriel Gold Revelations ICs (sources -> preamp). The GGs provide incredible frequency extension on the top and bottom and a very rich tone, and the SR provides great 3D soundstaging and detail. They seem to work in conjuntion so that the positive qualities of both are accentuated. I'm very happy with them. I replaced my Classe CAP-150 amp with a Parasound HCA-2200 Mk2 Ultra High Current. This amp is a beast. It has an incredible amount of current and bass emphasis which finally makes the C-Major woofers come alive, and its reputation of rolled-off highs seems to complement the Apogee MRT ribbons perfectly, which can be slightly bright. Soundstaging is deeper and just phenomenal now, with incredibly rich tone from bass up to the highest highs. I also replaced the Parasound power cord with a PS Audio Statement power cord. It has a 6 gauge copper conductor and I plug it straight into the wall. This had a very positive effect on the amp, increasing response and tightness in all the frequency ranges and focusing the image slightly. The rest of my components are plugged into a PS Audio Juice Bar (a star-wired power strip) which is again plugged directly into the wall. I'm going to get another PS Audio power cord to run between the Juice Bar and wall outlet when one becomes available. I'm very happy with the sound from this system now. If you are in Austin and want to hear some hybrid Apogees, I'm amenable to an audition, just send me an email.

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    • Apogee Acoustics Centaur Major
    I am a huge fan of Apogee ribbons. I'm addicted to the sound stage and natural presentation of tone that they provide. I have owned Stages in the past and think they are the best speakers I have ever owned. Once I bought my second house after my divorce and started to build a hi-fi system again, I had the chance to buy these mint condition Centaurs in Houston. I would rather have some Duetta Sigs or Stages with full range ribbons, but the Centaurs are still very nice speakers that provide an excellent sound stage. The mid range is a little lean compared to the Stages with a ribbon mid/bass panel, but I am still very happy with them. It's not every day you can pick up a mint pair of Apogees. I am building the rest of my system around these ribbons.
    • Creek CD-50 MkII/Classic
    I am pleased by the detail and sound stage of this unit. I placed Vibrapods placed under the unit to isolate from foot falls on the wood floor. They greatly improve clarity.
    • VPI Industries Scout
    I like how the motor is isolated from the body. But it has its quirks mechanically. I placed a large butcher block and Vibrapods under the unit to isolate it.
    • Benz Micro Glider M2
    Very detailed and neutral with a sound stage that pleases me. Very nice cart.
    • Mod Squad Duet
    I love this pre. The passive line stage is the nuts. Utterly transparent and with my other components, it projects a huge and detailed sound stage from my Apogee ribbons. Isolation of instruments in space after using this unit is quite pronounced. The phono stage is nice, but the limitation in this piece of equipment is that the noise floor in the moving coil stage is not as low as I would like it to be. It is still very acceptable and listenable with a 0.8 mV cartridge, however. The phono stage is very neutral, has impedance settings for the MC stage, has both MC and MM stages. The unit's design makes it very configurable. The exact method/topology of preamplification is accomplished by using jumpers on RCA connections at the rear of the units. It has an extra active gain stage if needed in the phono unit. It is very novel and quite unlike any piece of equipment I've ever owned. I'm very happy with it overall.
    • Symo Bi-wire
    These Symo speaker cables came with my Apogees. Jason Bloom originally recommended these for Apogee speakers. They seem to have very thick copper cable inductors. I'm impressed with them.
    • Vibrapods isolation feet
    For their small cost, I am astounded that they made a very noticeable difference in my system. I placed them underneath my turntable and CD player. I noticed that the clarity of the CD player has increased noticeably.
    • Nitty Gritty 1.5 Record Cleaning Machine
    This is easily the best upgrade I have ever made to my system. having clean records is of primary importance and makes a huge difference if you buy used vinyl. This is an indispensable piece of equipment.
    • Gabriel Gold Revelation
    I just received two Revelation IC pairs from Steve. After listening for two hours and experimenting with different positions for these two cables in my system, the results are fairly astounding. I already had one length of Synergistic Research Tesla Accelerators which sounds very good. I am happy with them but I wanted to compare them to the GGs to see which I would stay with long term. My goal was to first see if I find some synergy with the one GG and the two SRs in the system at the same time, and if not, to go with a complete complement of ICs from just one of the manufacturers. I moved the cables around to every position and found nirvana in one particular configuration. The configuration that works best in my system is with the GGs placed between the two sources (CDP and TT) and the preamp, and the SR placed between the preamp and amp. This configuration sounds unbelievably good. I'm astonished. This is exactly what I was looking for when I started thinking about recabling my system and leaving Nordost Red Dawns. The tone is amazingly beautiful and rich. The sound stage/image is just perfect. Instruments are the correct size (pianos take up much more space in the sound stage, cymbals are more pin-point). The sound coming from my speakers is perfectly nuanced and sounds just a little bit "sweet". It wasn't warmth per se, but sweetness. I have experienced a feeling like this once before when I heard my first Conrad Johnson tube preamp. It struck me immediately as sounding "sweet". I am 100% happy with this set up. Placing the GG between the preamp and the amp, and placing the SR between the source and pre sounded good, but not great. The tone is good, but the image is just a little incoherent. This next configuration surprised me the most of all. Placing two GGs between the source and preamp, and also between the preamp and amp sounded the least appealing of any configuration. The image just was not very coherent, so it sounded like the instruments were tripping over one another and invading each other's space. This could be attributed to the fact that these cables have not burned in for any length of time yet. Also, I use a passive preamp, and the system just may not be happy with two GGs on either side of this preamp. I did notice that I had to definitely turn the preamp's volume knob up another 30-35 degrees to get the same volume level in this configuration. It is obvious to me that these are incredible cables and I do not think that the result of my system's sound in this configuration should be passed off on the cables. I would describe these cables by saying that having a phenomenally rich tone is one of their properties. YoYo Ma's cello has that full cello sound which I had been hoping to get. Pianos sound like the big, beautiful instruments that they are. I can still hear the little details from the audience in live recordings that I like to hear (I could hear the cash register at the bar on my "Miles Davis - Live at the Plugged Nickel" LP, lol). Both the bass and top end are both equally represented with correct emphasis and excellent detail. These cables are a great bargain and I couldn't be happier with them. I would contrast these GGs to the SR Tesla Accelerators by saying that by themselves, the sound stage produced by the SRs is more 3 dimensional than the GG, but the GG's tone is much richer than that of the SR. Both have very good extension in the upper and lower frequency ranges. Granted, the GGs have not burned in yet. If their properties change significantly in the next few hundred hours of listening, then I will update that event here.
    • Synergistic Research Tesla Accelerator
    Great IC that has great detail, a very large 3-D sound stage, great extension in the upper and lower frequencies. Read my Gabriel Gold description to see how these cables all perform in my system.
    • Parasound HCA-2200 mkII
    This amp is the nuts. I love it. It has tons of current to power my thirsty woofers and ribbons. It also has plenty of bass emphasis to really make these speakers sound full range. The reputed rolled-off highs work perfectly with my speakers which can sound a bit bright. Soundstaging is very deep, wide and detailed in my system. I'm utterly impressed with this amp.

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I just noticed your left speaker back fires on a window. Go up and shout at
the window, and see how your echo sounds..... Pretty hurtful. I see you have a
curtain. That can help a little. For serious listening sessions I would hang a
panel over the the window. In my own system room, I find hanging my
antique quilts over my windows helps some. An area rug would help on
reflections too. Find fine ones cheap at eBay.

Have you experimented with separating the speakers more?

muralman1

The H20 is an amp that needs peculiar systems to work it's magic. Henry's Fire is the best preamp for it. Few others match the H2O's low impedance to sound well. Wires must be naked, especially speaker cables. Power cords on all components must be fully shielded from all RFI and EMI. Front ends must be vinyl, or non-oversampling. Most over sampler CDPs sound god awful on the H2O. You have to hear my system to understand this.

Also, you stand alone in your speaker hierarchy. No one else I know of would place the Stage, or Centaur above the Scintilla at any frequency. I have heard scores of Stage speakers powered by all means, and none can touch the top to bottom purity of a well powered Scintilla.

muralman1

I was referring to the sale enticement, GD. Everything else is a conviction.

You are entitled to your opinion. You have not heard my system. It is a different Scintilla. Read Geo's posts, please. Peace Out.

muralman1

Now I want to erase my last entry. ;)

You can make your own power cords using Belden wire, and good quality plugs. Please do not spend a fortune on wires. They do so little, and what the do is not good for fine systems. I would love to hear your vinyl rig sing.

muralman1

You were declaring that particular Kapton backed ribbon as better than the naked ribbon array of the Scintilla. Geo should know.

I did not say Geo was interested in buying my Scinnies, only they may be up for sale in a month. He having heard them, gives my speakers a leg up.

muralman1

I stand by my statements. Geo has heard my Scinnies, and that is the speaker he aspires to.

muralman1

Thank you Geojap for the compliment. I would say no other $10k system could touch this. None of us rest on our laurels for any length of time. I agree with you on your assessment of the Scintilla. I get letters from others who feel the same way.

Apogee had the average customer in turning to hybrids. They acquit themselves very well in smaller rooms. I heard slant 7s a long time ago. I remember Ella Fitzgerald like she was standing there in person. I had just set up Stage speakers at the time, using the household outlets, and power strips. That was 6 years ago.

Now I have eight dedicated outlets, and Scintillas. BTW, Those Scintillas will be most likely be for sale soon.......... ;)

muralman1

Hi Geojap,

That is a lovely room, and system you have there. Apogees are the all time
best speaker for recreating living music.

I agree with you on too many tubes. I am very familiar with a top dollar Audio
Note system worth in the six figures. You pile enough of tube's pleasant even
distortion, and the system loses it's hold on proper timbre. You can hear this
best if you listen to acoustic instruments. An orchestra provides a myriad of
instruments. Many can be confused with each other, if their tone is obscured.
I might add there is another amp type that can work well for some people,
that would be class D. ;)

muralman1