Hello, have now listened to the Elac 607 ce speakers a longer period. Must say that they are the best products on the market (recommended). A slim konsept makes you feel a Transparency out its like, homogeneous and very dynamic sound.,. Maybe it's the size that makes them less attractive for the sound they present is very large :::)) Monitor lovers should be a good effort worth hearing them. ::))
Focal is a wonderful, beautiful speakers,,, ELAC is a brighter cleaner less colored. ::)) there's more information.
Sorry for the late reply, I was traveling the last two weeks. Thanks for the advise regarding the DG-38, I will give it a try and let you know how things went.
On a different topic, Friday I have attended the High End Munich show and I got the chance to listen the Focal Maestro and Stella Utopia speakers (both hooked-up with very expensive electronics, i.e. Constellation Audio and Solution). The sound was mediocre in both rooms, i.e. not bad at all but definitively not worth the money. On the other hand, I was extremely impressed by the TAD Evolution One speak. While not very large, the speaker had absolutely no problem to feel a very large room (70 square meters or so) with very well controlled and balanced sound (top to bottom).
The speaker is too large for my room and at 28 K euros also a bit too expensive for my budget. However, you might want to consider it next time the upgrade-bug bytes :). (From what the TAD distributor was saying, TAD speakers pair beautifully with Accuphase electronics. He has actually invited me to Antwerp to his "TAD-villa", with my electronics, to listen the combination. Though, since all TAD speakers are out of my budget, I will most likely not waste his time.)
hi, try and set the voicing only, do not use EQ. Make sure that voicing use no more than 5-8 db gain 12 Db sound is soggy.I have 4.5 db, so the sound becomes very fast. And you get that when you let DG the work with + - 3 Db.
The problem was the equalizer curve which had variation of +/- 10-15 dB in the midrange. (I really have no idea how/when I have ended up saving that equalization curve. Obviously, I did it by mistake.). Nonetheless, once I have put the equalization curve to flat and than save it, every thing when back to normal. I have uploaded pictures with the measurements in my room on my system page (the Kosh Naranek system). You can have a look at them if you want.
Regarding you advise, I am not sure what you meant when you said to lower the gain. Are you talking about the "Signal Level" option of DG-38?. If yes, then note that I have clicked the "Auto adjust" field, i.e. the default setting for the signal level is -12 dB.
I agree that one should make use of the DG-38 as little as possible. Some years ago I had a very bad experience with a Lyngdorf room correction system. The units sounded marvelous in the dealer's room, but such all life form the music in my room.
When you get to large differences in the measurement, + / - 20 Db. Dg 38 lowers the gain. And your amp can cut, it sounds like d n is stuck in the EQ mode. You can also save many different settings, so check if you left the old ones that worked.
Try setting the Dg as little difference as possible, it may sound a lot better, one for hard modes, note that a good light setup where both speakers sound the same, are much better one, one tight. You have to let the amplifier and Dg work with light loads.
Somehow I have succeeded to screw up the settings of my DG-38 unit. So far I did not figure out how to fix this problem. I hope you would not mind reading my last post on my system page where I've described in some detail the problem. Maybe you can give me some useful hints.
Hi, some special solution I have in this big room 50m2. I have as I said, pretty easy to hear the differences on all the speakers I had. The one major fix in the room is that the speakers are not based on the parquet. ::)). A massive Norwegian labradore stone masonry is fixed on a concrete foundation, under the parquet.The speakers then rests on the very well-made spikes and BDR pucks, = no vibration to the floor and walls. Large gains in the base unit, and an amazing 3-D Capacity. The seat is almost the middle of the room, far from any wall, so it is easy as you ingest for me to hear differences in cables and pucks, cones, CD transports, etc.
hey Lapierre the best sound I had in the original setting from the factory, both in treble and midrange.
The midrange started thundering in at 500 Hz is shared by at 2500Hz in an overall unit without the time and phase errors, magical. Two high-speed 7 inch helps down to 25 Hz Velodyne DD 18 runs recipe from 40Hz to 14Hz IN all this fine polish Accuphase Dg 38 and round out the rest of spatial and filter errors. Maxen / /
Hey, fun with good response. This is interesting, hi, I try and find an ultimate price / performance solution. My A60 has pushed all the speakers with the highest 95% of the sound. It seems less interesting to double the money for the other 5%. So maybe you have to pay Scala and ex, Karan twice the price,,,, vs, Elac 607 ce A60. There is a small 5%. I mean, there are other options that could be better.
We have listened to the Electra 1038 be a very successful design from FOCAL. It is clear their top money / performance. Wilson Sophia 2/3 vs. WP8, has certainly many others have fought with. The interesting thing about these tests is that the magazines agree. B.R Maxen
My experience with the Focal Maestro Utopia speakers is that they need huge amps to make them come alive. I use the Karan KAM 1200 monos. I've found smaller solid state amps to sound more euphonic and slow with these speakers. If you really want to hear their full potential the Ypsilon PST-100MKII pre amp paired up with a Tripoint ORION ac conditioner is the way to go. If it wasn't for this combo I would have misjudged the FOCAL MAESTRO.
While I did not compared the Scala and the 1038Be models I corroborate Mike60 opinion/experience, viz. in the past I have compared a few times Focal speakers from the Utopia and Electra lines and the differences was always significant. Also Maxen, I wouldn't take too seriously those charts even if they were made by a german magazine.
Regarding the 4pi tweeter, I had a similar experience with the MBL 121 speakers. I did not bought them because they did not imaged very good. But with the right music and proper set up those unidirectional tweeter/drivers can make wonders. The fact that one is able to connect/disconnect these 4pi tweeters at will makes these Elacs very attractive for me.
I was fortunate enough to be present when a detailed comparison was being done between Scala and 1038. Both excellent in their price range, but there is no comparison. They are in a completely different class, and the differences were very large and obvious, in my opinion.
Hey, have of course tried 4Pi Plus omnidirectional tweeter for the 607 CE. Hmm yes, well, larger but fuzzier sound image. Not worth the money.
I have connected accuphase with HS-Link, another slightly more expensive version, and gradually it is the best sound.
There are tests on the Electra 1037 be at Stereophile, where they got very good score, even against Wilson Max2, Elac stands up very nicely against them, when the sound is very accurate.
You have tried quite a few great speakers over the years :). All of them with the current electronics?
Next time the upgrade-bug bits me I will make sure to listen to the Elac 607 CE speakers, especially since, here in the Netherlands, they are priced similarly (i.e. around 9-9.5K euros) to the Focal Diablo Utopias (the speakers I was thinking to get).
How about the optional 4Pi Plus omnidirectional tweeter for the 607 CE. Did you have the chance to listen to it?
Finally, regarding the DG-38, I have one too, and I too find it a "must-have" unit. How did you connect it into your system. I have a digital cable running form the output of the CD player into the DG-38, and a XLR cables running from the analog output of the DG-38 into the integrated. I should get a second digital cable to try to feed back the signal from the DG-38 into the CD player as I have never tried this second possibility and I am curious about it.
hello; Miceduke,, thanks. These speakers are "wolves in sheep's clothing", small and neat but very powerful. One of Germany's oldest loudspeaker manufacturer, but unknown abroad. In contrast, ribbon tweeter used by many other ex,,,,, Burrmester. / / Maxen
Those are nice looking new speakers. I have heard of Elac but never had a chance to listen to them. Glad they got you closer to what you are looking for. From the specs they do seem to be very nice speakers. With that equipment, I am sure they sound really good.
hello, thank you guys for your great feedback:) this hobby is a bit strange, we all have different rooms and electronics. True, Accuphase works well with most of the speaker . I'm not surprised at the Avantgarde, typically a high definition speaker. I had thoughts of them, but ELAC's so slim .....
I do not use the preamp, then I tried a whole bunch, including Accuphase top ref, and I do not think it gets better.a (certain pleasure in thin room) Instead, I use Accuphase D38(Digital voicings EQUALIZER( and a Velodyne DD18. I can say that it has a depth and three-dimensional sound and finesse without equal.
I've since been doing this hobby for 25 years, Managed with great speakers, Monit Audio Studio 10. Thiel 2.2 3.6 Infinity resistanse 80, JM Labs Mezzo Utopia. Sonus Faber Amati Homage. Martin Logan Summit. Wilson Sophia2. Focal Scala Utpopia(20.000 euro). And now Elac Fs 607 CE(13.000euro) in Sweden. I have also built monitors,,, hehhhe they were OK. As you can see some very nice speakers .. All with different qualities. However, I think Elac with coaxial midrange is unique. So much detail, I have not heard of the others. as electrostatic headphones. Best Reg. Maxen
Thanks for the response. I am not surprised to hear that Elac speakers outperform more expensive speakers of the competition. In the Netherlands many shops sell Elac speakers and I have seen/heard quite a few times entry level Elacs (around 1k euros) moping the floors with almost twice as expensive speakers from B&W, Dali, Kef, etc. However, I have not expected this to be the case also for speaker costing 20-25K euros. Normally, a less than 10k euros speaker (e.g. your Elac) should not represent any type of competition for a 25k euros speaker (e.g. the Scalas) let alone outperformed it in whatever area (I've quoted the retail dutch prices). But I guess there is nothing normal, especially when it comes to prices, in this hobby. Hatts off for being open minded and considering such a move!
Regarding Focal Scala, I was not aware that it is considered a mediocre speaker. The Altos were superb speakers (not just for the money) and Scala are supposed to be much better. Also, I am surprised to hear that Scala is only marginal better than the Electra 1038 Be. There was always a huge difference between the Utopia and Electra lines, i.e. Utopia speaker have much fuller and open midrange and image much better. While I am not interested in the Scalas (they are too large form my room and amp, and too expensive for my budget), it seems I would need to go and listen to them just to stay informed.
On a different matter, what pre-amp are you using?Also, what other speakers did you try with Accuphase? I found that Accuphase amp work well with a large variety of speakers (because of their ability to drive difficult loads), but by far the best combination I have heard was with Avantgarde speakers.
Elac components are very impressive and unique. Cabinet is hybrid design of aluminium casting and MDF, ribbon tweeter uses X-jet technology as coax and the drivers use LLD technology which "Crystal" aluminium sandwich. In addition, I do like the X-jet adjustments and downfiring woofer.
Hi, this is difficult, they have different qualities. Focal plays with broader brush, while Elac is more fine detail. Which you prefer is a taste thing. Focal is larger and more expensive to produsera, not equal, with better sound. And many tests show that Scala is a mediocre box in the price level. While Elac 607 CE and is biting more and more expensive speakers. Electra 1038 be and Scala are very similar in sound. Scala is more fine tuned. Scala is designed very much for looks, it is not wrong, but there are cheaper with the same sound. Revel Studio's in my opinion such a box. What I like about Elac is totally uncolored midrange, and the dynamic that just great. Further, ribbon tweeter mounted ikoaxialt, which according to TAD says a must for the proper phase and time. Accuhase love this solution, you become numb when you hear what accupase can do with these speakers. / / Maxen
I too am an Accuphase fan and think Accuphase pairs very well with Focal Utopia speakers (I own both brands). However, I must say that I am very surprised to see that you have replaced your Focla Scala with the Elac Fs 607 CE. Elac does make good speakers indeed, but so does Focal. I find it very hard to believe that Elac Fs 607 CE, which price-wise is a competition for Focal Electra 1038 Be, has any change agains Focal Scala. Maybe I am missing something.
