I finally got the sound I was looking for. I have only been in to audio for a year now. I started with a Harmon Kardon reciever and some lower model B&W Nautilus. Moved up to a Rotel seperates (1098 1095). Did not here much difference upgraded the fronts from 803-802. WOW that was the second best move yet. From there I replaced the Rotel gear with all Mcintosh and a Marantz DV9500. The step up from the Rotel to the MC amplifier was the best move so far. I do like the simplicity of the pre. The one thing I hated was playing with all the surround modes trying to get it right on the Rotel. The rear wall mount surrounds are sitting on 300lb solid granite pedistals they come in 5 pieces and they are epoxied together.