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Long story. Started back in the 80s with a Technics SLB2, Rotel RA840 anp and KEF Coda 3 speakers. My first real hi-fi bought with my own money. - fun
Dual 501/AT95 - fun in a splish splashy way
Thorens TD318/Miltec Aurora HOMC- not much fun - dull, rolled off and plodding - what do you expect with a hunk of MDF and leaf springs?
Linn LP12/K9 with Cambridge Audio integrated - better but not great.
Added a Cyrus 2 which was dreadful - brash and dry, sibilant and colored.
Added a Audiolab 8000C/P - no fun - dull and plodding.
Added Monitor Audio 352 speakers - lots of fun - lovely woody sound - captured the emotion in the music.
Swapped the preamp for a first model Croft Micro - utterly transformed. Replaced all resistors with Holcos and doubled up power supply and changed the ECC83s to Telefunkens. Replaced ECC82 with a Brimar CV5042 black plate.
Added a Croft Series 4 Power Amp - better.. until...
I added a Michaelson and Austin TVA1 with MO/GEC KT88s which blew the Series 4 away.
Added a Decca Super Gold - great when it was in the mood but the Ittok combo didn't work.
Added Ortofon X3 Turbo - better but lost something. At least it played without jumping.
Added bronze Quad ESL 57 - removed many veils but creaked and vibrated.
Added Leak Stereo 20 - I rebuilt this lovely but under-powered amp with new caps and Holco resistors.
Added Spendor SP2s - put some veils back up but at least I could listen without torment.
TVA blew up a KT88 - replaced precious MOs with a quad of GE 6550 - better bass, lost the magic midband. 
Also had a Rek-o-kut, Thorens 160, and cream Garrard 301 with a Grace 707.
Packed it all away for 10 years.
Added a $700 Garrard 401 to a $400 birch ply plinth/Jelco 750L arm and the old the Decca that I was going to throw away. - WTH? Amazing sound.
Added new Croft Micro 25 - swapped JJs for the Telefunkens that were in the old Croft - better - and then GE JG5751 black plates - way better. The sound came forward and the soundstage flattened a little but... the timbre/detail/color and blackness improved dramatically and the speakers disappeared.
TVA went dead. It's up on blocks waiting for a late night attempt to fix it... but the HT is dangerous on this beast. If anyone wants it, contact me.
Added rebuilt EICO HF35s - better - wonderful amps - fabulous.
Added black Quad ESL57s - added home-made 20" solid oak stands - no vibrations, no weirdness - just fantastic. Matching serial #s. 
I use $12 Belkin Gold interconnects (preferred to a number of $200-$500 cables) and 12 gauge UP-OCC in Teflon for speaker wire.
Garrard has rock solid stability, image, rhythm, foot tapping, delicacy - bells shimmer, speed - you can see the snares shake on the drum and see the color of the different notes.

UPDATE 10/13 - Got a John Wright Paratrace re-tip and the Decca is transformed. See post below 10/28/2013.

Replaced Croft Micro 25 phono preamp with the R version. While not a huge difference, there is a lower noise floor, better bass, more tonal color and a snapping into focus of the imaging. If you are running these amps with stock JJ tubes, you are not hearing them at their potential.

Update 12/2017 - Added Audio Grail Sable Garrard 401 and Jim Campbell PA slate plinth. Replaced oak table with metal and maple stand. See pics. AudioSilente idler - just do it - best $100 spent. Transformed. 

Update 5/18 - Upgraded Jelco 750 to TK-850L 12inch with Ammonite collar. Essential.

Update 10/18 - Upgraded the aluminum Audiosilente idler to the twice-as-heavy stainless steel Artisan Fidelity idler. Just do it. New heights. You will thank me.

Update 12/21/18 - Replaced platter with Classic Turntable Company 20mm oversized aluminum platter. Excellent improvement to bass - gone is the plummy boom, now tight and colorful. Increased focus all round and better speed stability is noticeable. 6/2021: Replaced platter with newer slightly heavier one fron PAC.

Update 6/19 - Replaced metal rack with 4 concrete blocks. I've never been happy with the metal stand. I had it lying around and it was better than the old oak table. The concrete is a huge improvement in sound quality. Huge soundstage, improved stability of images, tighter and more tuneful bass. 

Update 7/19 - Added JW rebuilt (with extended line contact) Garrott Bros Decca Gold Microscanner

Update 8/19 Added SPH grease bearing to 401 - significant improvement. Blackness, stability and excellent highs.

Update 12/19 Croft 25R. Replaced electrolytic reservoir cap with Clarity TC film cap and phono loading and stopping resistors with Vishay Z foil naked bulk foil resistors. Excellent upgrade. Cleaner, more transparent with voices sounding more human.

Updated 6/2/20 - Added SPH 12" carbon fiber tonearm to collection. Fine sounding. More relaxed and spacious than Jelco 850 but not as dynamic or detailed.

Updated 9/20 - Added Nobsound springs to turntables and amps. See my 'Springs Under Tuntable' post/thread. Improved 3D layering, blackness, speed and transparency.

Updated 9/20 - Added 65" 4K TV.

Updated 3/21 - Modified Croft phono preamp power supply to use tube rectified and regulated vintage Lambda 25 unit. 7851a power tubes. Adds a tube-like dimensionality. 

Updated 10/21 - Added Croft RIAA-RS (single box version from @tomic601) so I can switch between arms without unplugging. Replaced 4 x bulk foil resistors on phono input.

Updated 2/23 - Added Jelco 850L to System 2 401, added Decca Maroon with new line contact tip. Added SPH bearing to 401. Installed springs under speakers and sub.
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Room Details

Dimensions: 40’ × 25’  X large
Ceiling: 8’


Components Toggle details

    • AudioGrail Garrard 401
    Refurbished Audio Grail Sable Early Twin-spark 401 in 22"x17"x2" Jim Campbell Pennsylvania slate plinth. Precision Audio Components oversize aluminum platter, Artisan Fidelity stainless steel idler, SPH Aluminum/POM grease bearing. Feet are 3 x Nobsound springs on slate pods.
    • Jelco TK-850L 12" tonearm
    12" with Ammonite collar.
    • Jelco TK-850S 9" tonearm
    Added this for second cartridge.
    • SPH Carbon Fiber 12" tonearm
    SPH 12" tonearm
    • Decca London Gold Garrott Brothers "Microscanner" Decapod
    Refurbished by John Wright with line contact stylus.
    • Decca London Super Gold with Paratrace and Decapod
    I almost tossed this away once. Rebuilt twice by John Wright. Added Decapod in 2019
    • Decca Grey Export Garrott Brothers
    Grey Export Garrett Brothers line contact with a side-screw Decapod-like mounting. Checked and cleaned by John Wright.
    • Audio Technica VM750SH
    Bought this to see what a good economy MM sounded like.
    • Croft RIAA-RS
    Single chassis version. Select tubes. Bulk foil phono resistors. Thanks @tomic601
    • Lambda Model 25
    Tube regulated power supply with original PIO caps, RCA 5693 Red driver, Tung sol 7581A power tubes and GZ34 rectifier.
    • Croft Micro 25R
    3x Shuguang Custom 12AX7 LS in phono and buffer stage. 2x Telefunken ECC83 smooth plates in regulator. Vishay naked Z-foil resistors, Clarity TC reservoir cap., BLE Design OFC power cable.
    • EICO HF-35 monoblocs by Stu Remmington
    Rebuilt by Stu Remmington with 3 chokes/PIO caps/triode stage running Shuguang Black Treasure 12AX7LS and new Tung Sol 7581A which are fantastic. Psvane 6SN7 globes are illuminating.
    • Quad ESL 57
    Original pair of black Quad ESL 57. Consecutive #s. I have them on home-made 18" stands. I'm running them with the grills off.
    • System 2 - Garrard 401 birch ply plinth 401
    AudioGrail 401 in 5 sheets of 22 layer birch ply with 1/3" solid walnut top. 1/2" solid maple sides. SPH bearing, Audiosilente idler. 3 Nobsound feet.
    • Jelco TK850L
    On my second 401.
    12" tonearm
    • Decca London Gold
    Renovated Grey Export to Gold. New gold case, overhaul, and new line contact stylus.
    • Decca London Maroon
    New line contact stylus.
    • Ortofon OM-78
    Mono 78 65ųm spherical
    • Croft Acoustics Micro 25
    Telefunken ECC83 and Grant Fidelity Shuguang 12AX7LS.
    • Eico HF-35 monoblocs
    Recapped with 7581A power tubes, Mullard 10M /Bugle-Boy EF86, GE 6SN7.
    • Spendor SP2/2
    Still going strong after over 30 years on my second rig.
    • REL Acoustics S3 MKII SHO
    Impressive sub. Blows away previous Strata 3.
    • Clear Day solid silver Speaker Cables
    System 2
    • Neotech UP-OCC (DIY) Speaker Cables
    24" of 14 gauge cables - monoblocs under each speaker.

Comments 125

Owner
After a few weeks with the slate plinth / "new" 401 (and new Jelco 750L with Expressimo Audio brass weight and stub), it's time to report back. First off, it looks great. After power up, out of the box, the slate version was a little 'cooler' sounding than the birch plinth version but not as much as I'd expected. It was also a little more monochromatic than I'd hoped, removing some bloom and color from the music.
I'd wanted to remove the big oak table from the system for some time, so, in a fit of gung-ho, did precisely that. I had the preamp on an old metal stand with spikes so I re-purposed it as a table for the turntable. Sitting it on the steel table directly (on cones), the sound was a lot cleaner and tighter (esp in the mid bass-bass) with darker silences but it was still a little colorless. Remember, it only had about 4 hours on it at this point. I had a 24" square of 4" maple lying around so I added that on top of the steel framed table with aluminum cones supporting the slate. Wow! The color returned. I love a neutral sound -I can detect systemic color in music as a coloration, smearing, dirtying... whatever, and can't stand it. This is not like that. It simply allows the color of the instruments to shine. Over the next 100 hours, the sound has opened up even more. Detail has increased on my test records. Bass is superb. It is amazing how good the bass is on old Quad ESL 57s. Instruments pop out of the sound-stage to a much greater degree than the old 401 rig. 

noromance

Owner
Update 12/2017 - Added Audio Grail Sable Garrard 401 and Jim Campbell slate plinth. Replaced heavy oak table with metal and maple stand. See pics.

noromance

Hello Noromance,

I had to look to see if I had posted to your thread (I had, some time ago). It seems things have improved a great deal for you (by the way, I enjoyed the audio timeline you laid out).

I see you had a Paratrace stylus put on your Decca. I had ESCCO mod my Zu Denon 103R with a white sapphire cantilever and Paratrace stylus, and oh, my! 

My Garrard 401 is performing beautifully, with the afore-mentioned cartridge and Dynavector 501 arm. I've also completely redone the exterior on the plinth, with some inlay. Really enjoying it these days.

I'm glad to see how much you're enjoying your system, it's nice that it's not all off-the-shelf stuff, it's stuff you had to take time to learn about, and work yourself up to. Very well done.

Regards,
Dan

islandmandan

Owner
I thought I'd add that my other pair of Eico HF35s monoblocs power the Spendor SP2/2 speakers on the end of a Sony DVD player. The sound is quite remarkable since I swapped out a Japanese sand amp. Tubes, man!

noromance

Owner
Hi. Yes, 12AX7. Fixed bias, 3 chokes, redone from ground up. Ground busbar, oil caps etc.

noromance

I have a couple questions concerning the mods to your HF-35. Did Stuart change the input tube to a 12AX7 instead of EF-86? And did he change the amps to fixed bias, i.e. adjustable bias, as opposed to the self-bias mode of a stock HF-35? Both of these mods are mentioned on Stuart's website. I was just curious whether yours has them or not.

salectric

Excellent! I am sure you will be very pleased with them.

salectric

Owner
Ha! EICO HF35s rebuilt from the chassis up by Stuart Remington of Eicobuilders. It is the first time my rig has portrayed such holophonic imaging. The old amps portrayed good imaging from left to right-stage width- and decent depth and modest speaker disappearing tricks. These new amps have increased the perception of depth to fill the room. Instruments exhibit front to back presence as if they were in the room. I don't think I have ever heard so much information retrival before including shows. It was one of those rare "listen to my records all over again" moments. I do have some nice black plate tube installed.

noromance

Don't keep us in suspense! What amps replaced the EICOs?

salectric

Owner
Just swapped out my EICO HF35s for new power amps.

noromance

The black and the blue versions I'm thinking of are about the same vintage, both were called Gold and no longer made. The current ones are silver colored and not the same. The black Gold had more body than the blue Gold which I find more neutral and more to my taste.

Its not just the copper type that influences the sound, its the design, the shield the connections, etc. all affect the sound quality. its not gong to be easy to find high quality basic copper interconnects these days, most of them are very heavily tweaked. Let me know if you find anything.

david

dkarmeli

Owner
Thanks David. I had a look at the rooms and gear in your Big Horns+Sets+Vinyl system! Goodness!
I have been using the Belkins (black i think, blues are not made anymore I think) for ages and have no complaint.. but what you don't know. I recently swapped out my speaker cable for UPOCC and was impressed. Now, I'm wondering if using the same type of copper will be an improvement over the Belkins. I'm not a big spender on cable.

noromance

Owner
Thanks Salectric. Yes, the EICOs are magic. You are right-classic circuits, good components, old Deccas and old jazz vinyl beat much of the new reissued stuff .

noromance

Congratulations on a very musical system! As a vintage guy myself I'm happy to see others who know about and enjoy the musicality of some of these treasures.

Good choice on the Belkin Gold, which ones do you have the black or the blue ones?

david

dkarmeli

Nice system! I am sure it gives you much pleasure.

I am surprised I hadn't noticed it before since we share some interests in equipment. I bought a mint pair of HF-22 amps in 2002 and converted them to HF-35's. The EICOs sound really nice and they are quiet and ultra-reliable. I even like the brown finish!

I also share your appreciation of Spendors. I have had my SP-100's since 2001 and they continue to hold their own against current offerings (at much higher prices).

Lastly I ran some Deccas a long time ago, starting with a 4RC in the early 1970s and switching to a Mk V around 1975. I have fond memories of the Deccas. In some ways I have never been able to equal them in all the years since.

salectric

Owner
Re Croft Micro 25R. Ended up with 2 x
Telefunken ECC83 in phono stage and 2 x
Telefunken ECC83 in the PSU regulator and
a GE triple mica black plate 5751JG in
the line/buffer stage. Magic. Don't
assume that the regulator tubes don't
make a difference. This amp is ruthless
in revealing differences between tubes.

noromance

Owner
Thanks Needfreestuff!

noromance

Love the 57s and one great looking turntable. Best of Luck

needfreestuff

Owner
UP-OCC solid core copper for speaker cable

After reading about all these expensive cables and their extravagant claims, I decided to source most likely the same wire that goes into many of them.

I have my monoblocs underneath and therefore close to the speakers, so I ordered 8 feet of 14awg UP-OCC wire (with PTFE insulation) online. It is quite springy so I clamped it gently to the bench and cut it into 4 equal lengths. Assembling it into 2 x 24" speaker cables took a few minutes. I kept it running in the same direction, just in case. Be careful to gently slice the insulation and not to scar the copper.

Anyway, the improvement in sound quality was of a high order. Large increases in speed and transparency, more air, better definition of instruments, less coloration, backing voices I never noticed before etc. I urge folks to try this before spending lots of money on speaker cables. I don't bother with connectors as I feel they are another item in the way but that's your call. The wire was $6 a foot.

Available here:http://www.partsconnexion.com/wire_hookup_neotech_copper_teflon.html

See a photo of my cable here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/6iot28p0weuwytn/up-occ.jpg?dl=0

noromance

Owner
Hmm. ok, after more extended listening and comparison between the 25 and 25R, I have noticed that whereas the GE5751 worked a treat in the 25, they are lacking in the R. (I know about ht e gain)I went back to the ECC803S. While a tiny bit "steely", they offer more punch and air. With the same tubes in both amps, the R is definitely better. (I was getting worried there for a minute!)

noromance

Owner
Swapped out Croft Micro 25 for the R
version. It came with cryoed JJ ECC803S
which are decent enough tubes but don't
hold a candle to the vintage ones I
swapped in. See item for more info.
Compared to its lesser stablemate, the R
has a lower noise floor, slightly fuller
more colorful bass, more timbral
differenciation, improved focus with more
stable imaging and a subtle speaker
disappearing trick.

noromance

Owner
Hi Sunnyboy. Yes, amazing how bad it was!

noromance

Noromance
I have a Boston Audio 2 mat on my TW AC TT that I tried on my Garrard 401 with disappointing results. Just killed the soundstage, no sparkle etc. My 401 works best with the original rubber mat. I have not tried any aftermarket tweaks on my 401.
Best
Pradeep

sunnyboy1956

Owner
The wife bought me a Boston Audio Mat 2 for Christmas... Quel suprise! Out of the blue. I think I might have mentioned something a while back. We had friends over but I disappeared into the basement clutching the carbon.
Anyhow, I put it on and played a familiar track by Joan Baez. I'd had a few single malts and it sounded fine, a little darker and quieter. It was late so I went back to the party and looked forward to some more serious listening in the morning.
After letting the amps and 401 warm up and making sure no one was using any lights with dimmers in the house, I settled down for some extended listening. First up was Leonard Cohen Famous Blue Raincoat with me listening for the intro tinkling bells that let me know what the system resolution is like. They weren't really audible. The song itself was darker than I remember with Len's voice having a full wooden tone. Joni Mitchell's Amelia is a dark recording and now it sounded darker, more reticent and I had to increase the volume over the normal setting. I listened to a bunch more and the same pattern emerged. Given that the Mat is higher than the standard rubber on the 401, I raised the arm and listened to a few more tracks, Carol Kidd, Robin Williamson, Puccini, Joan Collins, Julie Andrews before settling on Neil Young's Pocahontas from Rust Never Sleeps to try some detailed A-B comparisons. I moved the arm up and down and swapped mats and realized this was not going to work. The Mat simply robbed essential information from the system. Bass was muddy, air, timbre, color and fine detail were severely ameliorated. Swapping in the rubber was a relief as the music came to life and the tiniest of details like the rasp of rosin leaving a puff of dust could be heard on Paul Tortellier's cello on Saint Saens The Swan. One good that came of this was that playing with the VTA has brought the Decca up a notch to new heights of performance. Fine details are now jaw dropping and the musicality is breathtaking on the right recording. Not to disparage the Mat2 which is beautifully made but I cannot imagine how it gets such good reviews. Each to his own I guess.

noromance

Owner
Here is a clip which I took with my Samsung S4 phone:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1LS5iN3G54

noromance

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