Mahgister's non-conventional system or top Hi-Fi for the poor

by mahgister on
Golden shungite plate for the router-modem
USB Schumann Generator + thin "golden" Plate+Herkimer diamond
AKG K340 Hybrid +Acoustic tuned resonators
Sansui Alpha Au 607i amplifier For the K340
Hidizs Ap80 pro used as fixed battery dac/ bank /eq.
M-audio AV40 active speakers box "studiophile"
Nos battery dac TDA 1543 for my speakers and the K240
Fosi Sk01 Headphone amplifier for the K240 sextet
AKG K249 sextet
Douk P2 preamplifier for my active speakers

Description

My second maxin in audio is now:

ONE straw kill or ressuscitate a room....

The first maxim was:

Dont upgrade before embedding everything right


The first law,
which is the most fundamental audiophile law:
" Dont upgrade before embedding it"

Second law:"
There exist 3 embeddings dimensions" : MECHANICAL(resonance-vibrations), ELECTRICAL (noise level of any links and general noise floor of the house), ACOUSTICAL ( the known passive materials standard way and the underestimated active controls ways)

Third law:
"The more uplifting upgrading effects are most of the time linked to the controls of the embeddings dimensions, except most of the times if you go to a higher rung with a purchase of E.C."

Fourth law:
" All electronic components (E.C.) roughly are distributed on a 3 rungs scale of ratio quality/price, and the S.Q. ratio decrease or increase in a non linear way with these 3 steps, (low, medium, high or a Gaussian with a non normal distribution if you wish)"

Fifth law:
" Any upgrade with a new E.C. on the same rung as a past E.C. will result most of the time in a low increase of S.Q. only, compared to a more rightful way to embed the components you already owns"

Sixth law:
" Then, dont upgrade anything before you have rightly embedded all of them"

then this circle of laws is closed....

All that is only my experience and I tried to communicate it clearly....You can criticize... :)

my thread contains more details not about a bunch of "tweaks" but more about a minimalistic and costless méthod of controls for each 3 embeddings:


The embeddings of your audio system are way more impactful in your experience of Hi-Fi than the upgrading purchase of only one electronic component in general most of the times (speakers, amp or dac).... This is the upgrading myth....

The only thing this audio hobby have teach me is that what we already owns is able to reach a potential sound quality unbeknownst to us, sometimes a very high level...Never mind the price....
The most important lesson I learned was that it is not the so called hi-cost quality of the electronic components of an audio system that makes great audio experience, it is the careful controlled preparation of the 3 embeddings of any audio system : mechanical, acoustical and electrical....All the marketing audio industry mostly does not say that, they must sell their carefully researched products and tweaking is only a small "niche" products that you added at the end of your endeavour...

The truth is inverse of that, tweaks and preparation must be first, and my rule is : any electronic components that is already good will takes cares of his function without any needs for a so called upgrades necessity and will work at his peak potential only in a such rightly prepared triple embeddings... Then when some company affirm something about their electronic new marvels they are right, often their product is better than the one you owns already... But if you had never listen to what you already owned in the first place at his peak potential quality, because you had not installed your electronic components in a qualitatively carefully prepared embeddings, what is the need to upgrade a product which you dont really know ?


All electronic components are on a 3 level of quality/price ratio.... Low, mid, high....Any upgrading changes in the same rung of the scale is a waste of money and not necessary, and will be deceiving in giving to you only a small improvement at best.... The triple preparations of the embeddings will gives you hi-fi, even sometimes with some low components in the scale, more with the mid elements of the scale, and you will think: is it absolutely necessary that I pay now for high priced elements in the upper end of the scale ?


I smile now and say to some beginners, trust yourself, and create heaven, that will not cost necessarily much money...Only basic good components, playful mind, listening experiments, homemade stuff most of the times, and at the end a real hi-fi experience will surprize you...

One thing is obvious to me, i am not envious of any of the beautiful system, all of them more marvellous to look than mine, not because my sound is better, probably not most of the times, but trust me not too far behind, then I can enjoy my music without dreaming to other gear... That speaks volume when you consider the ridiculous low cost of my audio system, compared to all the others one here.... :)


( GENERAL UPDATE:

There is 2 way to act on the acoustical field of a room:

1-The PASSIVE way with some different materials absorbing or reflecting one at different locations... Most people use only this way...I use homemade materials or low cost one at strategic locations...


2- There is the ACTIVE way that is more complex but very rewarding...

a- I use a grid of active metal resonator (30)
b- I use 20 Helmholtz bottles of different sizes
c- I use a grid of connected stones and crystals
d- I use a grid of cheap 10 Schumann Generators modified with crystals and stones...
e- I use a grid of 90 little bells or cones of 2 different sizes(7mm or 9 mm) with some nano Herkimer diamonds in 20% of them for their compensating effects...This grid of cones stabilize for the brain the recognizing process of complementing sounds waves coming with the competing obstructing distorsions created by the topology of the room accidents...This is not science only my way to convey my understanding...

The embeddings on an audio system in his mechanical resonant field is 20 % of the S.Q.
The embeddings of an audio system in the electrical field of the house is 25 % of the S.Q.
The embeddings of an audio system in the acoustical field of the room is 55 % of the S.Q.

The % varied relatively to the methods used, but these indications gives an idea of the general results after my experiments ….

The final results are a very high S. Q. for a ridiculous cost....All my materials are homemade created or bought for peanuts....But the result is in no way cheap.... :)

You can compensate for a modest audio system relatively to a very costly one with the controlling methods linked to these 3 embeddings ,especially the acoustical one....

A vintage low cost amplifier but good product of the past for example, in a controlled room, may sound way better than a way more costly one in a non treated room..... This is the only thing I know for a fact about audio....

Upgrading is most of the times only a game , but if you dont have money, it is not necessary to spend any great amount to buy Hi-FI…. The contrary opinion is "mostly" a marketing myth.... :)



In 2 words:
The acoustician is more important than the electronical engineer.... :)






After many experiments, I must conclude that the "golden" plates (shungite+copper foil) are at their best used in these locations:

On the exterior electrical meter of the house
On the central breakers panel of the house
On the peripheral breaker panel of the room
Behind the speakers
On unused wall plugs
On some interconnections ( not all of them) determined by listening experiments
On the computer router or modem
On some of the computer connectors (hard drive, optical convertor etc)
On the power conditioner

Total of big and small "golden" plates in my system : 30, half are of  bigger size.

They works optimally where they are not too much near the audio system except thin "golden" plate on some connection which location are determined by listening experiments...

I decide to remove the thin "golden plates" and keep only Herkimer diamond and tourmaline on some of the Schumann generators... Sound is more balanced with some of the S. G. with the "golden" thin plates +tourmaline, but some S.G. with only Quartz or Herkimer Diamond or tourmaline...

On my small usb S.G., 3 had a "golden" plate with tourmaline or H.D. now, and the 5 others had tourmaline or some other stones only...These varieties and variations create a more harmonious and balanced sound. ) 
Liliputian H.D. (around .150 of a gram ) are very powerful and better than regular H.D. on top of tourmaline or golden plate for the S.G.



The shungite in general is delicate to use for audio positive effect... The shungite can add some negative trade-off in some place but  that it is easy to compensate keeping only the positive impact...For this compensation the copper tape act like some polarization of the shungite action, and the Herkimer diamond added some balancing effect on all frequencies without erasing the impactful force of the shungite cleaning noise action....When needed it tough, on a big shungite plate for example, you can replace the little H.D. by tourmaline or pink Quartz for the balancing effect, for example if you put the "golden" plate on your central breaker panel...



The "singing resonators" grid are of my own design with vertically glued copper tape and some amethyst or tourmaline in the center of each bucket.( I had 10 sets now composed of 5 or 6 metal buckets small or bigger) And yes! with more money at hand I would have designed them with brass but they work marvel even made by the cheapest metal buckets bought in the one dollar store and I dont understand why, but my ears dont want to understand...This is by far the most impactful room treatment of my owns and the cost relation to the imaging sound quality is astounding...If you dont have money and dont fear ridicule try it, I have completely transform my room in sonic heaven with this last tweaks at almost no cost... This will deliver to your room the sonic qualities that only big money only is supposed to be able to afford...I called them resonators but they are also reflectors and are a key elements for me to compensate for the irregularities in the distribution of furniture and of the walls irregularies near the speakers  relatively to my sitting position ….Dont thanks me...:)

 In one of the photos we can see a big glass Helmholtz resonator homemade, i design 20 of them  in my room (most of them around 1 liter some around 5 gallons).
The 6 china designed cheap Schumann Generators modified in my room are linked by cable to my grid of cabled stones+ batteries... (it is important that the shungite pyramid dont touch the horizontal antenna of the S.G. and by the way it is not necessary to put a pyramid to affect the sound a thin+copper cell phone shungite plate will do the same on top of the 4 capacitors of these usb powered Schumann generator and will cost less)

On speakers and in front wall and rear wall I put 15 TINY  MAGICAL RESONATORS: one Alaska brass cone 3/8 inch + 1 Herkimer tiny diamond in the center...Results: better imaging  and better timbre.… cost ridiculous and behemoth effect....

My room is treated by myself after many experiments and only with no cost materials ( the rule number 1 is to make an equilibrium between reflexive and absorption surfaces and materials in a particular room)...

An important  remark: Room treatment with absorbant or reflective materials and non conventional acoustical space modifications with Schumann modified generators and controls with Helmholtz resonators or different resonators and reflectors are not the same thing.We must not confuse room treatment with acoustical space modifications.

If there is 3 rungs in the scale going to low, mid, and high, any electronic component pertaining to a rung of this scale is different with another on the same rung...But rightly embedded anyone of this element go from a rung to a higher rung entirely if it is rightly embedded with the 3 implementation protocols and parts pertaining to each one of these 4 methods :


1-The mechanical environment of each electronic component (vibrations-resonances controls)

2-The electrical grid of the room and of the house

3a-the "passive" room treatment with materials absorbant and reflective ones

3b-the "active" acoustical space modifications with reflectors, Helmholtz resonators, Schumann generators,etc
(We must not confuse room treatment 3a with acoustical space modifications 3b. because one work in a passive way, the other work in an active way)


 

The electrical grid of my house is also treated by my own design, and my speakers and gear are on top of my homemade vibrations platforms which is 5 sandwiches of coupling-decoupling levels, each platform created with 2 granite plates+ one bamboo plate+ one cork plate+ one sorbothane plate +quartz feet...At any sound level this is so efficient than my finger on the desk does not sense any vibrations coming from the speakers...(By the way I know perfectly well that there is vibrations in a range that my finger cannot sense of, but nothing is perfect no?) I forget to say that I added 70 pounds of concrete to the mass of each of the speaker and to complement the damping sandwiches for the controls of negative resonance....

The external electrical main cable of the house is entirely treated with ordinary cheap riverbed stones and some shungite plate… The main central electrical panel of my house also, with lava beads, agate, tourmaline, shungite tiles and some others even the computer and the routers are treated with some stones and crystals etc...It is way better than an active filtering, a passive filtering with stones does not add any noise of his own and is more cheaper than a big power conditioner....Each stones has his own filtering characteristics easily audible with experiments...All this characteristics are complementary with each stones adding to the lot... By the way I use  my "golden" shungite plate( designed for cell phone) to block unused wall duplex plug... 

My audio system is less an out of the box ready to listen system than an experiment in the making...
The total cost of my system is around 1000 dollars all included except the price of the stones (20 varieties of crystals and stones used) in my grid... The sound is way above his price and appearance...Upgrading possibilities giving to me by reviews of any price gear makes me smiles with satisfaction with my cheap audio but TOTL system...

I get holographic 3-d imaging and natural timbre sounding instrument or voices at my 3 possible positions for listening : nearfield, normal position, and with my Fostex orthos headphone...That was exactly my goal in the beginning of my odyssey some years ago with few money to spend...

I hope some"poor" audiophiles will be motivated by me...The others can smile incredulously... :)


One important remark about my "singing resonators" grid set of ten quincunx or sextile buckets :
My room is relatively small 14 feet by 14 feet and 11 feet high...I think that in a way bigger room my metal buckets resonators would be less efficient to controls the imaging and way less spectacular if working...Then take that into account in the equation...

A new powerful tweaks: The "golden"shungite plate...

You take a shungite plate and you put on one side some thin auto-adhesive copper tape, and you put the plate with the adhesive out of the surface of the electrical panel, or router-modem, or cable, or unused duplex wall plugs etc and miracles happens: more imaging and more natural sound....This is low cost and simply magical...Enjoy it, it is almost free...(except the 10 dollars plate shungite 250 grams) For a cable or a unused duplex plug you can buy a shungite cell phone thin plate for a few bucks...

I have 8 shungite plates of 250 grams on my electrical central panel in my basement, the shungite plate improve the sound way better with the copper tape on the side exterior to the applied surface...

Behind the speakers under the cables connectors and on top of them I place some "golden" shungite plate, 2 for each speakers for  a total of 4...On top of each shungite exposed side I glued an Herkimer diamond for each plate, that enhance the effect of the shungite plates behind speakers...(there is a photo ) I add one small tourmaline stone to the H.D. on top of one of the plate behind each speakers... The 3 more potent stones that act very good in synergy with one another, is tourmaline, Herkimer diamond and shungite…The "golden" trinity for speakers... Behind my speakers they make perfect harmony between imaging, timbre, tonal equilibrium...  Amazing low cost modification....No corresponding audiophile mods. on the market exist  at this cheap cost... The "golden" plate  on the central electrical panel of the house, and behind the speakers are an upgrade of the whole audio system for peanuts....

A NEW TWEAKS:
The " Bell of bells"...
I just create it ...

I use a brass little bell at which I attach and hang a rope coming from the ceiling in the center of my room...
Around this bell I glued 16 little bells (Alaskan brass cones3/8 inch) with half of them with an Herkimer micro diamond glued in them...It is very important to balance half the cones with diamond (half of them)…This balancing compensate the bass frequencies and high frequencies with one another...The result is a better tone accuracy....
This device makes my ears spirals( by some internal Fourier analysis by the brain) able to decode from the feedback waves and reconstruct more easily, in spite of the room intricacies, an optimal tone and imaging ....I am not a scientist tough, I just want to transmit my impressions and communicate my own understanding....
The results (for 10 bucks) are ASTOUNDING....



 A word of caution :These posts are only words to convey my experience and not science at all.... 
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Components Toggle details

    • Akg K340 Hybrid headphone
    Hybrid headphones with an array of 5 tuned internal resonators... I added vibration controls materials  and cutt-oof the thick obstructing plastic grid...
    • Hidizs Dac/dap Hidizs Ap 80 pro version
    I used it as fixed battery dac +equalizer
    • Sansui Sansui Alpha Au-607i
    !00 watts very refined Sansui amplifier
    • Nobsound Douk Douk P2 tubes preamplifier
    i use it for my active speakers

Comments 58

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Hi @mahgister ! May I know whay type of cups do you use - what sizes are good?

Also I am going to buy some shungite, can you advise the optimal weight for each of these, is it possible to use too heavy, e.g. 2.4kg for the central breaker? :

On the exterior electrical meter of the house
On the central breakers panel of the house
On the peripheral breaker panel of the room
Behind the speakers
On unused wall plugs
On some interconnections ( not all of them) determined by listening experiments
On the computer router or modem
On some of the computer connectors (hard drive, optical convertor etc)
On the power conditioner

Thanks in advance!

sphinxaudio

My compliments dear sir. I so admire your dedication and passion. With the level of detail you approach the ‘embedding’ tasks with, I have absolutely no doubt your system sounds very good indeed. I agree with respect to different aspects of tailoring acoustics within the room is of paramount importance. I always enjoy your posts / comments. 
With high regard, 
Aki

4afsanakhan

tell me about the sound qualilty...is it premium?

digitalviper

Love your outside the box thinking! I have used quite a few Geoff Kait tweaks over the decades. I have 4 Argent room lenses, 2 on either side of my Emerald Physics 3.4 open baffle speakers. Click on my UN if you want to see my system in Virtual

tweak1

Hi Mahgister.

To be honest with you, by adding so many unnecessary tweaks..
You are creating additional reflections in your listening room. In fact, there are probably so many reflections that you have an almost pseudo-surround effect going on. I have to say, from one point of view this is a rather ingenious idea! I'm sorry for being mean to you.

jackhifiguy

Owner
«so you are the disciple of MILLER CARBON!
as i am told. my car costs more then everything you have LOL»

It is the reverse... Did you see him speaking about the three embeddings control? and the three dimensions of small room acoustic?
my system value is 500 bucks by the way... Try to imitate me and reach the same S.Q. if you can...
These images are old and my actual audio room is not here...Guess why?

mahgister

I like what you have done with limited resources. And I am glad you are happy with the results. That’s all it’s really about isn’t it? I appreciate your thoughtful posts on this forum as well

Regards,

Larry – Tuberist

tuberist

Now that's how you dress up a world class studio. Nice work, clown!

jackhifiguy

so you are the disciple of MILLER CARBON!
as i am told. my car costs more then everything you have LOL

digitalviper

Fascinating...
Your methods are definitely strange. Happy listening!

jackhifiguy

Wow, good on you for all the experimentation. I can only imagine how it sounds but can conceive that it sounds really good as you write so passionately about your listening experiences in your room. For me, the proof is in the pudding, and I'd bet an audition would great fun - I let all my opinion be completely controlled by listening and I know that is just what you are doing as well. Thank you for posting up photos so we can see what you are doing.

pokey77

Owner
Thanks EM for your comments...

 All your observations are wise and right...
 One this is said...

 Remember that the acoustic of small room is a balance between reflection, absorbtion and diffusion... Anyway you dont see in these photos  all my room related surfaces and you dont see all my acoustic  devices ...These photos are old...it is impossible to take a photo in one shot....

Second  passive material treatment is ONLY one aspect of acoustic for small room..
the other aspect is active mechanical control specifically adressed to my specfic speakers : a grid of 40 Helmoltz Bottles/tubes around my room...

Third my small square room (13 feet) with speakers on my desk with one speaker in a corner is very bad installation... But i correct all flaws in the imaging, soundstage, listerner envelopment, and apparent source width and even in restitution of tone and timbre by the relation between my passive acoustic treatment, my active mechanichal Helmholtz equalizer, and mechanical and electrical controls devices...

Then even if you are right ... I am right also .... :)

Anyway i cannot use my system in this room otherwise in another location because of the way this room is arranged with doors and windows...

But i dont give a dam because all is now nearer acoustic  heaven than  acoustic hell... 
 I trash my 7 pairs of headphones  definitively because these speakers/room  beat all of them on all counts...
 Then 
In life two people could be right  at the same times in 2 different perspective...

My deepest respect to you...

What you see is not my new room, it is way more silly now and impossible to put a global image, people would be laughing...They trust the value of audio system accordingly to esthetic and money criteria... I trust my ears and my creativity more...
Anyway i dont have the money to create HiFI esthetical system and anyway i dont need it now because  i have audiophile S.Q. at no cost... 
 

mahgister

I applaud this major out of the box thinking, and desire to get good sound (and fits the definition of an audiophile) despite have limited funds to work with.

 However what I’m seeing are diffracting edges all around the speaker.  While adding weight to speakers (especially light ones) is a very good thing, the drywall that overhangs the top of each speaker is a major diffracting edge and a total sound killer in every setup I’ve ever had or helped friends set up.  I’ve gone to even modest systems and changed speaker position and removed the grills to get rid of diffracting edges.  There was always an immediate freedom of sound from doing so.  

Next to the right speaker it seems there is a wall, which is creating a similar issue and highly detrimental early first reflections.  

My suggestion would be to get the speakers out of the cave you have created for them and see how much better they can sound, especially with all the care you taken to treat the room.

Since you are lucky enough to have a dedicated sound room, you can try getting the speakers off the desk, away from the walls and out into the room a bit on home made or inexpensive stands.  

The effect of having speakers against a wall can be easily demonstrated by having someone stand against a wall and speak (or sing) then move a foot or two or three and then speak again.  You’ll hear the distinct coloration the wall creates in their voice.   You’ll loose bass reinforcement, but the rest of the spectrum should be considerably better, and allow the speaker to truly image. 

My proposed set up probably won’t allow the bricks to be used, but the same or better effect could be gotten using metal weights, which are higher mass and  would be much lower profile, adding just a few inches of height to each speaker.  

emailists

Owner
Sorry but you are wrong about me...You overestimated me completely...

Save for almost only basic knowledge, i am only a man with no money and listening simple experimenting time and means ... Nothing else.... i am not even crafty.... People dont trust themselves they trust MONEY.... It is the reason why they put their faith in purchasing new design instead of learning how to install them in the mechanical,electrical, and acoustical working dimensions...I trust myself and my creativity not money/quality ratio only...I trust  experimenting with BASIC known or unknown simple materials or devices... Anybody can read a wiki about Helmholtz resonators for example... and looking for acoustic research articles discovering the links between imaging  and listener immersion in sound with controls of the reflextions and reverberation time....Etc... No need to know anything but the need  to understand  and experiment....

my apology for my correction and my best wishes for you....

mahgister

Thank you! 

It seems you have advanced knowledge of mechnical, electrical and acoustical phenomena in audio. If you do get a YouTube channel, I will ask my friends to also subscribe.

mastering92

Owner
Thanks for your generous kindness and interest mastering92....

My actual room is more silly....But my S.Q. is anything i ever wanted...

Perhaps in the future i will do it  on youtube yes..... I  want to show what a peanut cost audio system can do....All will be surprized....But it is a job a dont weant for now....

My heart send you light and luck.....

mahgister

HI Mahgister,

It seems like a lot of work was involved to achieve the sound profile you enjoy. 
Perhaps you should start a YouTube channel with music playing on your system - any decent microphone can be set up/camera to achieve this.

I think it would be interesting to hear your system. I have heard/set up Sansui products in the past, but I don't remember the sound signature of the amps. I think your speakers look cool - with the woofer on the top!

Happy listening and enjoy.

- REX

mastering92

Owner
Dear tweak1
Listening experiments linked to mechanical controls of vibrations, or to the controls of the  noise floor of the house of to the acoustical settings of the room are not "woo woo" save for gullible customers... I buy nothing nor bought anything, save peanuts costs materials or devices i modified myself...I bought my basic 500 bucks audio system the rest are my experiments with homemade solutions and elementary science...

"tweaks" are NOT a method of listenings but a consumer product... I dont consume branded name products tweaks or other upgrade, it is more fun to made all that ourself and less costly....

mahgister

I have some woo-woo in my room, mostly from Geoff Kaits (Machina Dynamica)

tweak1

Owner
musicaddict i thank you for your kind words...My audio room is not a living room but a laboratory for my goal: hi-fi experience at very low cost...Then i dont pretend my room is a model...
I only want to argue my point,  against consumerism, that  real audio experience of high quality is possible at low cost... Thats all... My thread describe my journey...I dont eschew digital processing, it is only that i dont need it after my last device creation, the" Helmholtz mechanical frontwave timing equalizer" ...I dont have money to spend in audio anyway from the beginning... I solved my problem with the devices i use and create myself for what i called the controls over the working embeddings dimensions of any audio system: mechanical, electrical and acoustical...I dont like to speak of "tweaks" because it is associated with "snake oil"  and placebos accusations... My devices cost peanuts or nothing....And my method is based on continuous listenings experiments in relation with simple audio science...

Between the three embeddings controls,
Acoustic control is the main key to audio, the more powerful; and  no costly upgrade is only the key by itself...My system worth is 500 bucks and i smile all day long listening music and the upgrade is possible but make me laugh as useless for the price i must paid to do it really which will be over 10,000 bucks in my evaluation... But why would i did it?  The orchestra fill my entire room with depth imaging and natural timbre....

My best to you and my deepest regards



mahgister

-mahgister,  I took a look today and your space is amazing. I, like others, cannot imagine how much work you have put into it. I would truly love a listen. I imagine it is fabulous (and for the right reasons).

I don't yet understand the '3 embeddings' but I am a science guy (though it took 58 years to 'think away' religion). I think that we don't have to understand it all for it to be true. The universe occurred, and here we are. Your comments make sense and I think modifying the acoustic space can have a huge effect to the positive over most equipment changes (sans speakers).

As Redwoodaudio did mention, many do have issues with appearance and it does become a tradeoff between the very best sound versus good sound and an acceptable living space. I know I'm not getting the best because of that and it can be a bit frustrating. But if it's not two walls, south and west  with pure windows and mountain views, it's the 30 oil painting clogging up all other bare wall space in the 17 x 20 ft living area.

I could move my system to a windowless 12x20x8 basement room and fiddle forever to lock the best acoustics but so far I'm not willing to give up the views I enjoy while in my seat.

I know you eschew digital signal processing but I will say that for me, the $800 DSPeaker Anti-Mode 2.0 is a device I would not give up in my audio system. And I use one broad curve to drop the reflected higher frequencies. I know my room could sound better. If I knew how much I'd think about it.

After good equipment (non-faulty), good room positioning, and basic bass management, I think (unless home-made) many things beyond are in the category of diminishing returns (especially commercial products. whether they work or not). It can be a tricky balance if aesthetics matter as well.

Thanks so much for posting your listening space and informative posts!  Mark

musicaddict

Owner
Dear readwood audio,

I can very easily imagine the set of experiments i walk trough is not for everybody...Not all people have a room only for audio and nothing else...But giving very low cost ideas and blueprint for experimenting is not evangelization...And Someone who can invest money can be inspired by my devices and bought esthetical one or create some with more craftmanship than myself... But you are right aqbout some of my devices, this is not the case for my main one "the golden plate" is not inesthetical for example; but think also about what i have: a top system that cost me peanuts.... Then i must say to all that it is possible, why?
Because all advertisement and marketting operations said the contrary...
Then you are right for some of my devices, but dont take my "evangelization" too personal it is not perhaps for you or for some, but for ALL and all must at least learn what is possible to reach TOP S.Q. at low cost...

I wish you the best  thanks for your post....

mahgister

Part of the reason those of who can afford it buy manufactured audio devices are aesthetic and design considerations.  While you may have achieved your own version of sonic bliss, there is so much clutter and debris of all kinds in your space that, personally, I wouldn't be able to stand it for even one album.  I hope you can appreciate that, while you evangelize away at your "cheap embeddings" gospel, it is a very rare audiophile that cares as little about the aesthetics of their listening room as you.  Please consider this when advising your fellow audiophiles on the forum -- it's not all about our lack of creativity and resourcefulness.

redwoodaudio

Owner
Thanks AC,

Your comment denote that you have understood my intention towards marketting and induced mass hypnotism in audio... And the killing of creativity, the bashing of our confidence and faith in our own listenings capabilities, history, and ressources...

I am nut for sure, but  who in the world want to be the ordinary north-american consumer?

My audio room is even nuttier than what you can see... It is difficult with not much light and my trembling hands to give an idea not only of the part but of all the room...The 2 fans dont work loll They are there to diffuse the sound and support a grid of tiny resonators connected to my cheap  Shuman generators grid..

My S. Q. is over the roof, then it is me who laugh the last laughs for peanuts cost... I am not afraid to compare my S.Q. to ANYONE and even if i lost it will be others who will be amazed by what a 500 bucks system rightfully embed can do near their own... The more it will be high-end the more i will laugh....Sometime losing a battle is winning...If David has lost to Goliath he will be remembered today for his heroism,,,,.I cannot be criticized for lack of creativity...And congratulation to your self restraint for not judging my system and myself on pure appearance and surface... 

You dont go with the sheep, and you are able like me to create by your own listenings experiment feed-back sessions.... The rest is money induced placebo for crowds...I love each human being one by one only, like Lao-Tse i avoid  crowds...

Happy New year.... 

mahgister

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