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Decades of experimentation, since the late '60s, have taught me you're never done trying new things if you want better sound. I'm now having a serious love affair with tubes, have finally reconciled with CDs/SACDs, and am embracing all the new tools available for room measurement that never existed when I started this hobby.

In the past few years I added a ARC Ref 40 pre-amp that has tremendous spacial and textural resolution, something that was missing from my solid state front-end. I've been suffering from serious sleep deprivation since I got it. It's that good.

After many years of vinyl only (I was a diehard) I added a Marantz SA 7 S1 CD player. This was the first CD player I really enjoy listening to and I've kept it. SACD can rival vinyl & well-recorded CDs sound really good. The addition of a Lyra Etna cartridge, the ARC REF 10 phono and the TW Acustic TT however, all have added a presence and naturalness for analog playback that's simply breathtaking. +1 for Vinyl!

I can't leave anything alone. Most of the components are very heavily modified, especially the Sansui TU-717, and both the Counterpoint SA-220s which actually use a completely different circuit than the original amplifier. The first SA-20 became an NP-220 courtesy of Michael Elliott. It has Mullard brown base CV-569 ECC35s (6SL7s), CuTF V-Caps, and a 160,000 uF all-Black Gate power supply with boatloads of TX2575 resistors in all critical places. I loved the sound of this hybrid amp so much I added a second one that is almost identical. These amps are classics and the proverbial "open window" when it comes to transparency and tonal color. Too bad few will get the chance to hear these since the "retirement" of Aria Audio.

The system speakers are tri-amped Magnepan 3.6s and include Kinergetics subwoofer towers(5 10" woofers per side). One Counterpoint NP220 drives the tweets/mids, the other the 3.6r bass panels, and a recently added Krell Evolution S2250e drives the subs providing a deep and solid foundation. This system's flat to about 16 Hz.

The Pass Labs XVR-1-3 3way XO is incredibly flexible. It would have been impossible to get this tri-amped system set up as well with an ordinary XO as the Magnepan 3.6s have some funky passive XO slopes you need to emulate. I'm using it in bandpass mode. Much more transparent this way.

I ran out of wall outlets and gave up on active quad amping. I upgraded the only remaining passive tweeter-mid speaker XO in the 3.6s to something exotic - Duelund Cast caps and inductors instead of another XVR-1. It was well worth it but big passive XO parts are best broken in with a cable cooker if you want to live long enough to hear what they sound like (nothing) when broken in. Nelson, you will have to fund your own retirement plan!

All the system cabling is supported by Cable Elevators - I tried using the empty champagne bottles but the system didn't quite sound as good -- burrrpppp.

The room had a makeover with acoustic treatment. It's 13.5 x 27' and is in the basement. An RPG pro diffusor sits behind the speakers with Real Traps & GIK Acoustics along the side walls & in corners. The back wall also has an RPG pro. The speakers have been moved away from the front wall so that second relection arrival time is almost 10 milliseconds delayed from direct radiation at the listener location. This treatment work substantially improved the imaging, depth, and bass control. You just can't get good sound without paying serious attention to room acoustics.

I've finished the final room EQ on the subs using REW and the DSPeaker Anti-mode 2.0 Dual Core processor. What a great gadget! The EQ settings still need a little work below 100Hz to minimize group delay. None of this impacts the main speakers so that transparency is maintained.

Various AZ cables were added and all have been "cooked". The transformation is remarkable. I've tried other stuff and I wonder why people spend $1,000s. The power cords are LessLoss.

The system power outlets are all Hubbell hospital grade 20 amp jobs on their own lines.

Let's talk about the music. It's thrilling to listen to it. There's not enough time in the day. There's lots of immediacy a trait which I value the most, wonderful tonal color, and the sytem has a terrific sound stage with solid center imaging. Most notably, there's a sweetness and liquidity somewhat like you'll only hear from SET audio systems. Overall balance is perfect, neither warm or bright, but with power and authority.

I listen to all kinds of music, classical, pop, jazz, world, etc. and this system is very musical. I'll miss the Aleph 2s heatsinks that all ran at 125 F but the sound still warms my heart!
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Room Details

Dimensions: 25’ × 14’  Large
Ceiling: 8’


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    • Lyra Etna
    Who knew vinyl could sound this way? Absolutely stunning. Still love it as much as the day I bought it so I got another as a back-up. On most any material, this takes my breath away. You are there.

    The 2nd replacement cartridge sounds even better.  Set up with Adjust + and loaded at 350 ohms - a bit more dynamic as you'd expect.  Oh, no, here comes the Lambda!
    • Triplanar Tonearm & Mint Protractor IV w/ VII Upgrade
    Tri Mai upgraded this baby with new wiring & bearings. It was a worthwhile upgrade at a reasonable cost. I also used a Mint Best Tractor Protractor custom measured for the arm. (I kept the brass parts on - more colorful).
    • TW Acustic Raven Anniversary
    Upgraded with Black Night copper platter, 3 motor unit, feet and the mat. This is a beautiful piece in looks as well as sound. I later changed the TW mat to a SPEC Audio AP-UDI for a little more open and dynamic presentation without losing any of the wonderful tonal color the turntable is known for.
    • Phoenix Engineering Roadrunner
    I liked the Walker Audio MC, then the Eagle motor controller with the VPI which was even better.  It didn't work with the TW's DC motor controller but wasn't needed. Not so, the Roadrunner. The Roadrunner tachometer showing speed display on the left is not for the OCD crowd as that last digit is not always a "3". Speed stability of the TW Acustic TT varies < +/- .003 over 3 minutes or so.
    • Audio Research Corp Reference 10 Phono
    Decided to upgrade the phono section and picked ARC since I liked the REF 40 Anniversary so much. After installing all new tubes, tube rolling the power supply ensued.  I liked the 6550C SED Winged Cs in the REF40, but here they were a little too soft sounding. The Sovtek 6550 WEs had a more definition, but still sounded a trifle hazy. The Shuguang KT-88 Z Treasures solved that and I finally ended up with them after about 300 hours of listening. A few signal path resistors have been upgraded with TX2575s. Very nice.
    • Luxman D-10X
    Really enjoying this CDP.  Checks all the boxes and is just a wonderful listening experience on all kinds of music.
    • Marantz SA 7 S1
    The first CD player I heard that makes beautiful music! A good SACD is simply stunning and rivals vinyl although they don't sound the same. Has a little more clarity if you ground it, short the digital clock input & put a copper sleeve on the power cord against the unit.
    • Sansui TU-717
    Mint condition with highly modified with Black Gate caps throughout, Schottky rectifiers and more. This sounds nothing like stock thanks to Stereo Surgeons and an APS-9 antenna & invites serious FM listening. Too bad there's not much worth listening to.
    • Antenna Performance Specialties APS -9B
    Has a Channel Master 9537 rotator, a Ken Wetzel low-loss high performance balun & 57 feet of RG-11 (the fat stuff). Routing it was a PITA! Using FMFool.com to find the exact channel directions. This was originally installed by a firm who also did work for the US government military.  I had no doubt when I got the bill.
    • Audio Research Reference 40 Anniversary
    Sounds as good as it looks! Favorite tubes are the 6550C Winged "C"  and the stock Sovteks 6H30s.  Forget the expensive DP version.  All tubes are matched within 2% with the Amplitrex AT-1000. A very few signal path resistor mods here too.
    • Magnepan MG-3.6R
    These sound nothing like stock because much of the original has been replaced. They have been completely re-wired with cryo Neotech 6'9s copper, have Vampire BPHEX solid copper binding posts, no fuses and no "socks" underneath the grill cloth. Very transparent and dynamic. Internal and external stock crossovers are gone....
    • Custom 3.6R Crossover Duelund Cast, etc.
    Replaced stock internal mid/tweeter XO with outboard box containing Duelund Cast & V-Cap caps and inductors. Hello reality!
    • Mye stands 3.6s
    More heavy metal! If you have Magnepans these stands make an audible difference and are well worth the money. These have been modified by firmly anchoring the rear mid-speaker frame braces to the speakers instead of their wood grill frames.  This allows better transmission of unwanted vibration from the speaker to the stands and into the CMS LS .8 speaker feet that are mounted under the steel frame bases.
    • Kinergetics SW-800
    Five 10" drivers. Woof , woof, woof. Too bad they don't make these anymore. REW software confirms they have measurable flat response to 15 Hz. Good match with the Magnepans.
    • Pass Labs XVR -1, 3 Way
    3 way XO w/ millions of settings used in band pass mode. You can change slopes, XO points, and Q settings & compare results almost on the fly.  Over 200 parts changes were painstakingly made and auditioned in 30 iterations over an 18 month period!   Left and right channel amp outputs balanced via the dials with a DVM to within .1mV to precisely balance the soundstage. Yes, it matters.
    • Counterpoint NP220 Platinum Plus #1
    One-of-a-kind amp from Mr. Elliott with an entirely different circuit than its namesake, along with several parts upgrades from me. For the 3.6 panel tweeter/mids: It's a platinum premium NP220 amp w/ ECC35 CV569 Mullards (fantastic and rare tubes),CuTF V-Caps,a Plitron choke & a main supply w/ all Black Gates totalling 160K uF coupled w/ solid high-grade copper buss bar. Critical resistors are all TX2575 naked Vishays & Cardas internal wiring. It even has damped circuit boards! Very sad you've retired Jack you will be missed!
    • Counterpoint NP-220 Platinum Plus #2
    Liked the first one so much, needed another one of a kind to assure the Magnepan's sonic coherence. This one drives the 3.6 Bass panels. Black Gates for the Power Supply no longer available so used the biggest Siemens Epcos Sikorels that would fit. These caps are just as famous at the BGs and maybe even better sounding, but very hard to find. Terrific build work done on a complex circuit topology by Music Technology. B.T. described the sound as "lovely".
    • Krell Evo S2250e
    Perfect amp for the subwoofers with 500watts/ch - way more than needed. The bass on this system is subterranean - flat and powerful, but not boomy to below 15Hz. This amp is well-built, doesn't run hot, isn't that heavy and really has the bass control Krell is famous for. Sorry, no class D for me.
    • Acoustic Zen Absolute Copper
    Trying to describe the sound of these is almost impossible. May be a touch forward sounding.
    • Acoustic Zen Hologram IIs
    All speakers now wired with AZ. With a tri-amped system there is lots and lots of cabling. Don't like it? Just turn the lights off!

    I also tried Duelund DCA DCA16GA X 2.  It's very nice an inexpensive to boot.
    • Power Cords LessLoss, Neotech & Oyaide
    One LL feeds all the front end components via a Furutech etp-60; the others feed the two custom Counterpoint  amps. Neotech NEP-3003 feed the CD/SACD player and phono amp. The Oyaide Tunami V2 feeds the XVR-1-3 way
    • Other room treatments Real Traps & GIK Acoustics
    Besides the RPG Pro diffusors, Real traps panels for first reflections & GIK corner traps. Tightened up the bass & really helped center the sound stage as the room is not symmetrical. Pic shows the completed room with panels mounted.  Each one of these was placed and then REW was run to check frequency response, group delay  and decay.
    • Critical Mass Systems Center Stage V2 .8 & 1.0 Component Feet LS Series Loudspeaker Feet
    I am in the process of upgrading the CMS 2s footers to CMS 2Ms.  I really didn't want to do this, but the 2MS are significantly better in all sonic aspects.

    Now have 11 sets of these under almost everything. .8s are under the ARC power supplies and the Sansui tuner. 1.0s under everything else except the 2 Pass Labs XO power supplies where I'm using Sound Damped Steel. Noticeably larger and more continuous soundstage, much better 3 D images, better attack and decay, and improved tone / harmonics. I was quite amazed by this...and the money spent. Subsequently, added LS .08 loudspeaker feet with even more of the same "goodness".
    • Equi=Tech 2RQ
    Balance Power unit (front end - not amps).  Have tried various power conditioners before and didn't care for them.  Read the technical info. This is something else and well worth it. The result is dead silence and a noticeable sense of increased interior spaciousness and depth.
    • DSpeaker Dual-Core 2.0 Antimode

    Used with REW and ONLY in-line on the subs where it'll do no harm.  I upgraded the power supply to an standard LPS type and got rid of the wall wart.  As the system's improved I've tended to bypass this unit as it's not all that transparent.

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    • REW Room EQ Wizard
    Used in conjunction with the DSPeaker Antimode to achieve great room response in optimized frequency & time domain. This program is really quite amazing but takes some time to learn how to use.
    • Leica Disto - Laser Measure E7400X
    Want great soundstaging? Measure speaker distances to the listening position within 1/10".
    • Audiodharma Standard Plus 3.5 Cable Cooker - Smokin'!
    I love this thing and use it a lot.  You too can be a cook! Myles Astor is right. You need one. Noise floor drops, more detail and a little more space. A very worthwhile upgrade and one that'll make you stop chasing cables. Recooking every 4-6 months brings back transparency. I also use this to burn in all my mod parts before installing them.
    • VPI HW 16.5 Rec Clean - Foaming Action
    Yes, it's the VPI but... with secret, proprietary, organic rose cleaning solution developed in the French countryside. Wonder why this stuff keeps evaporating? Good for a pre-clean on older albums.
    • KL Audio KD-CLN-LP200 Ultrasonic Record Cleaner
    Use the VPI for the heavy scrub first and then this baby as follow-up. Total cleaning and drying time about 15 minutes per record.
    • KL Audio Filter System
    Added tubing, a pump, and a FlowMax .35 micron pleated filter canister to my KL Audio record cleaning machine.  Run the pump and filter to clean the KL tank water for ~ 10 minutes after cleaning a dozen records or so. Can measure water "dirt" with a total dissolved solids meter (TDS). They're cheap too. Only I would ask for one for my birthday. No wonder my family doesn't talk to me.

    Ack!!! Just saw a .2 micron filter with 40% more filtration for $5 more.  No COVID-19 in my RCM waste water now.
    • Hi-Fi Tuning The Supremes
    These are in every piece of equipment. Nice step up from the originals.
    • Feickert Adjust + Cartridge software
    For cartridge azimuth adjustment, the end results are a more coherent sound stage. The software overloaded my computer soundcard so I had to pad down the output of the phono preamp output. A little fiddly to run all the cartridge position set ups. The standard bubble level's worthless. It's well worth the time and expense!
    • Herbie's Audio Lab HAL-O III Stabilizers
    Probably better than those rubber/sorbothane things. Cleaned up the sound of the REF40 and Phono 10 a bit when used on the PS 6550C tubes and 6H30s.
    • Amplitrex AT-1000
    Best new tester for tube matching. You can do curve tracing matching mu and Gm across a range of voltages with this hooked up to a laptop in computer mode. I have enough matched tubes to last at least 20 years.  Hope tubes don't turn out to be old technology.....
    • Get away Vehicle Richard Sachs custom
    Forget audio. Not as fast anymore and getting slower, but has Sachs appeal!

    I take obsessiveness seriously.  When I was younger (a couple of years ago??!), the tires on this bike were woven silk and glued on the rims.  Now, that's old technology, so I've upgraded to clinchers.

Comments 92

Wow, what a nice system. Your penchant for customizing all your components with even better parts is much admired. I'll bet it sounds as great as it looks, I owned 3.6s at one time and still love them.

sgr

Owner
System edited: What an ordeal. 650 hours of play later the Duelund Cast Caps and inductors and Neotech cryo 6 9s copper wiring in the tweeter/midrange passive outboard crossover have mostly broken in. Boy are my wife and the cat happy they don't have to listen to FM radio 24 x 7 anymore. They had their bags packed and were ready to leave home after the first 5 weeks of non-stop play. Even at 500 hours I wasn't sure whether I liked the stock parts better but all of a sudden everything popped into place - very unusual break-in. This set-up versus stock is less "up-front" and presents a believable sound stage with much better depth. Vocals are naturally smooth versus the stock parts which could be just a touch hazy & a little overly textured bordering on grainy sounding at times. There is wonderful tonal color especially on voices and individually played instruments. There is no hint of siblence, hardness, noise or veiling and treble clarity and extension is near perfect. Parts were quite expensive, almost as much as the speakers, but an active XO and another amp would have taken all my lunch money!

barrysandy

Owner
Thanks Glenfihi. The ARC Ref40 is a stunning sounding preamp. I really can't believe how good it is. I'm hearing all of the music. In some cases for Rock music I think my playback equipment exceeds what was used for recording because the soundstaging is not so good. Single vocalists and small ensemble jazz or chamber music is as good on this system as live. I'm replacing the stock passive speaker crossover next with all Duelund Cast handmade precision parts - they cost more than the 3.6s!

barrysandy

Wow of a system, that just have gotten better over time. Congrats on a very nice system.

glenfihi

Glad to hear you are finally getting serious about this stuff ;)

erndog

Owner
System edited: Well I decided to stop fooling around. Out goes the beautiful Pass X0.2 in comes the Audio Research Reference 40 Anniversary. It'll take awhile to break in but it already sounds amazing. Following this, a totally rebuilt Counterpoint NP220 then a reworked passive mid-range/tweeter XO crossover for the Magnepans with all Duelund Cast copper capacitors and inductors in a custom - made wooden box!

barrysandy

Owner
System edited: Removed the last carbon films from the NP220 inout signal path and replaced them with Shinkohs. Changed the output resistors to Mills. Upgraded the Pass Aleph 2 speaker cables to Hologram IIs. Noticeably a touch more transparent and a little sweet with the few added resistors. Still breaking in but I like it! Considering redoing the internal speaker crossover to Duelund Cast where advantageous. Running out of room to go with more active.

barrysandy

Owner
System edited: Lots of changes in the last year. I finally took the upgraded Tri-planar out of the box and put the TT back together. LPs are not dead. I'd give the edge to LPs over many SACDs. I experimented with the Pass XP-20 for several months but came back to a remodded X0.2 using Mundorf silver & oils instead of Teflon Conrad Johnson caps. I will miss the lower noise floor & the better bass of the XP-20, but there was something not quite right about the upper mid-range treble transition in my system. The X0.2 sounds fantastic with the Mundorfs. After the preamp experiments, I replaced the DH Labs Q10 tweeter mid-range cable with a run of AZ Hologram II and changed placement of the interconnects. A bit of warmth I'd lost earlier returned. The Q-10 cabling's likely not up to this level of a system. It's interaction with the XP-20 was partly to blame for my not keeping the preamp. (That wasn't it entirely. I tried another amp and other cables). It's hard for me to describe the sonic change from TFTF to CuTF V-Caps in the NP-220 because I changed out the "new" Van den Hul amp wiring at the same time to Cardas. Both these changes were well researched and moved the sound in the direction intended. Many of these system mods were driven by the original NP220 resistor and wiring upgrades over a year ago. Even though I improved the parts and equipment I didn't always get the synergies I hoped for & had to take some steps backward before I could move ahead. This story has a happy ending. The system sounds really good again - it's a bit more transparent - but it retains the original bit of warmth that was important for it to sound natural. It's been maddening getting here. At times I wanted to go out on the ledge and jump. Fortunately, I live in a ranch house.

barrysandy

Owner
System edited: In the works since January I've now made a few changes. There is a new preamp, a Pass XP-20. Also, I finally had the NP220 amp rewired with Cardas signal wire and Neotech NEP-3001 internal AC wire. Finally, I recapped NP220 using the new CuTF VCaps. Although the caps are not broken in yet, they are more engaging than the TFTFs. They are a bit warmer primarily because they let through natural tonal colors of the music without losing any transparency. I'm sure they'll only get better with break-in.

barrysandy

Owner
Well it's taking months and likely another but several improvements are in the works. Pass Labs X0.2 replaced by an XP-20. Rewired Counterpoint NP-220 (this is so close to perfect but still not quite right). TT set up with Mint LP protractor.

barrysandy

Owner
Me too Dave. I rode a grand total of 18 miles the month of Nov. It used to take me that long just to warm up!

It's be good to catch up although the holidays always seem to be too busy. e-mail me [email protected]

regards, Barry

barrysandy

If your close by, lets go for a ride sometime. I haven't been out, but need to badly.

Dave in W Chester.

dbld

Owner
I guess I got a little carried away.... I'm going to give up after the remaining cable changes. The sound's about as close as the original recording as I'm going to get. It's not obvious what's left to upgrade when you're down making changes at the parts level. More money ain't better.

barrysandy

Simply amazing. Great looking and I assume sounding system, thanks for sharing.

nissancrazy

Owner
System edited: A long overdue cable change is now underway. Acoustic Zen Absolute, Silver Reference II, & Matrix IIs are on trial! Results so far are pretty special.

barrysandy

Owner
System edited: Upgrades till now have all been positive but not this time. Rewiring the Counterpoint NP-220 amp may be revealing weaknesses in another part of this system. Maybe I should have left well enough alone! Before I re-wire the amp again with 7 Ns silver & copper Neotech, I'm going to upgrade the interconnects with a combination of Acoustic Zen Silver II and Matrix II (the DH Labs stuff is the cheapest part of the system). It'll take time to evaluate the results. I got to get my basement cleaned up!

barrysandy

Owner
System edited: Re-wiring the Counterpoint NP-220 with a mix of Neotech 7Ns silver and copper wiring to replace all the Van Den Hul and with NEP 3002 for the internal AC wiring to the power supply. Of course this'll take forever.... The Tri-Planar tone arm's getting a rework by Tri Mai with new bearing and arm rewiring to bring it towards current VII status. The folks from KáCsa Audió in Budapest didn't reply to e-mails for Neotech NS-1952 speaker wire - I guess my Hungarian translator's not so good - Végbélsár!

barrysandy

Owner
Gmele

I've rewired the tweeters bypassing the fuses and the jumper completely. At the levels I listen to, moderately loud, I haven't had a problem and it sounds just a tiny bit better.

barrysandy

I noticed that you mentioned you only use Hi Fi Tuning fuses in the mid range section of your Maggies. Wondering why not in the tweeter section?

gmele

Owner
System edited: Just did a major overhaul to the Counterpoint amp with TX2575 resistors, new wiring and BG + Continental capacitors. Burning in now. Should sound terrific.

barrysandy

Owner
System edited: Added a pair of Mullard ECC35 CV 569 6SL7's in the Counterpoint in place of the Jan Phillips 6188s. A little bit of added warmth. Later this month several parts changes for the amp TX2575s, a wiring change to Van den Hul LSC carbon & some different caps.

barrysandy

Owner
SA-7S1 is now grounded with a shorted digital input. This brought a touch more clarity.

Added 40,000 uF of Black Gates to the Counterpoint power supply for a total of 160,000. This too resulted in a just noticeable difference in lower background noise.

Also replaced all front-end system and Counterpoint amp fuses with Hi-Fi tuning ones. We may have too much of a good thing here as these are a tad on the warm side. Maybe a little break-in is needed but at least it's reversible (although my wallet may not be).

barrysandy

Thanks Barry & good luck with those mods. I was writing the update when you posted. With the latest TT bearing mod vinyl has more of a leg up on RBCD, though it is difficult to describe the differences.

dgarretson

Owner
Thanks Dave. Well the room and set up's not so ugly now anyway. I'm not sure what happened to Kinergetics but these subs mate well with the Maggies and have useable bass well below 20Hz. Most of the time it's not audible but its great for organ music. Interestingly the analog setup has more bass than the sa7 s1 although the cartridge was not know for that.

Oh for a few dozen Texas Component resistors in the right spots....

barrysandy

Barry, Nice modded system with striking monumentality... I haven't seen K subs in awhile, but recall that they sounded great. Dave

dgarretson

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