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Audio Nirvana has arrived. Being involved in this hobby for the past 40 years proves that this is a journey and not a destination. Over these years I have had countless iterations of too many systems to mention. Over the past 15 years I have become a loyal fan of Wilson Audio speakers and have steadily moved up their production line. Four years ago I never thought it could get any better than my Wilson X-2 Alexandria series l until I heard the X-2 series ll this year. Suffice it to say the X-2 Series ll speakers were added in October of this year in Black Almondine and now occupy the center of my sound syatem. For the past 3 years I have been seriously considering a return to vinyl and was ready to make the move until I began reading about the resurgence of reel to reel tape recorders and The Tape Project. Recently I found a fully restored Studer A810 tape recorder and added it to my system as well as becoming a Charter Subscriber to The Tape Project. Needless to say I was smitten. Recently I also swapped out my much beloved Meitner digital gear for the newer Playback Designs PDS MP-S5 and have been more than happpy with that decision. Earlier this year the video side of my room underwent a complete change and installed the Sim2 C3X1080 triple chip DLP with an Isco lll anamorphic lens. This allows me to enjoy either 16 X 9 format as well as 2.35 on a CIH Stewart Firehawk G3 132 inch curved screen. When I did this I upgraded the subwoofer(s) in my room by swapping the Wilson XS for two JL Audio Gotham subs. It took the better part of four months to get these subs dialed in for my room but once done they are simply better than I could have ever imagined. As far as what the future holds in the hobby, I am in a holding pattern but I never say never.
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    • Wilson Audio X-2 Alexandria Series ll
    I am in awe of this speaker both from the way it sounds as well as the way it looks. After 3 months of anxiously awaiting, the speaker finally arrived. Color is Black Almondine with Parchment Gray grill covers. The speakers weigh in at a cool 720 lbs each and stand 2 inches taller than the X-1's I had. Simply put, I have never heard a speaker as real as this. The soundstage is huge, more open than even the X-2 series l. The ease of setup as well was amazing. It took us only 2 hours to get the speakers operational. The wonderful thing about the X-2 is that the upper modules can now be meticulously set to image at ear level. The X-1's were always imaging just a bit high. These speakers are truly Dave Wilson at the pinnacle of his game. Just when I thought my X-2 series l's put me at audio nirvana, along comes the X-2 Series ll. The best way to compare this speaker to anything else is with a big smile rather than with hyperbole. IMO this speaker has brought me to Audio Nirvana.
    • Lamm Industries ML 3 Signature
    The ML3 is a single-ended (SE) tube amplifier utilizing a very powerful direct-heated triode GM-70 (125W plate dissipation) and a separate power supply. Combining the most sophisticated technologies and electronic design with graceful looks reminiscent of the classic era of tubes, the ML3 is our top-of-the-line, no-compromise product. It is a 32-watt amplifier that operates in pure class A and utilizes no overall feedback. The topology is absolutely unique and incorporates one of the most advanced power supplies ever featured in an audio device. These factors, along with the designer’s unique vision and understanding of the underlying principles of audio electronics, make the ML3 an amplifier without peer. With the ML3 as the centerpiece of a high-end system, the recorded event is recreated in one’s listening room with astonishing verisimilitude. The listener is able to experience an ephemeral yet tangible connection to the essence of the music. These are not empty claims. Those who have listened to the ML3 firsthand have unanimously acknowledged this phenomenon and have reported it to be utterly unique in their collective experience. IMO this amp rises above all others and is the the new king of the hill. Audio Nirvana has arrived
    • Lamm Industries LL1 Signature Dual Mono Line Level
    The monaural line level preamplifier model LL1 Signature is the ultimate statement of perfection in High-End audio. Just like ML3 Signature is the best creation of its designer's professional career among the LAMM amplifiers, so is the LL1 Signature among the line level LAMM preamplifiers. The LL1 Signature has been designed to complement the ML3 Signature amplifier, and this combination in a system represents a "match made in heaven". However, the LL1 Signature will perform magic with any other appropriate power amplifier. The LL1 Signature features a topology that brings out the most natural sound performance in the audio path. In principle, it is a single-stage unit that basically represents the shortest possible signal path. The preamplifier contains four very linear low impedance triodes paralleled into a single inverting gain stage. The LL1 Signature employs a pure single-ended class A operation, with no overall feedback applied. Also featured are specially selected high-transconductance dual triodes 6N30P-DR/ 6Н30П-ДР (original) in the signal path and TKD stepped potentiometers for volume control - the best available on today's market. The preamplifier's audibly neutral power supply features a full-wave vacuum rectifier. This rectifier, together with a choke-containing filter, allows to practically get rid of the hum and buzz and, in the end, to ensure the verity of dynamic range without coloration. Two solid-state analog voltage regulators supply dc voltage to the tube filaments (heaters). Other features include 3 inputs, one tape/HT processor loop, attenuator (-12 dB) switch, output 1/output 2 switches, protection circuitry designed to enable manual muting of the output signal, and built-in remote on/off for LAMM power amplifiers. The main distinction of the LL1 Signature from any other comparable type of preamplifiers is its practically inaudible sonic signature. When connected to an appropriate type of power amplifiers, especially LAMM power amplifiers, it assures the extraordinary transparency of perceived sound and recreation of a three-dimensional soundstage in the home, recording studio, etc., without boundaries and limitations. Each preamplifier is handcrafted of the finest materials and top quality parts like military-grade DALE metal-film resistors, PRC wire-wound resistors, BOURNS multi-turn potentiometers, CORNELL DUBILIER and UNITED CHEMI-CON electrolytic capacitors, ELECTROCUBE, ELCON and ROEDERSTEIN film capacitors; HAMMOND chokes, gold-plated NEUTRIC connectors, and military-grade low-noise long-life vacuum tubes. A custom-designed massive damping panel installed in the preamplifier unit significantly reduces all types of mechanical vibrations which, in turn, leads to a more extended, coherent and natural bass reproduction. The LL1 Signature features a custom-designed super-low noise power transformer. The LL1 Signature works on all world AC line voltages (100/120/220/230/240V).
    • JL Audio Gotham/g213
    Gotham® Your first look will tell you that you are looking at something special… your first listen will confirm it beyond a shadow of a doubt. The beauty of the Gotham® extends well beyond its exotic design and exceptional craftsmanship, aiming right at the emotional core of musical and cinematic enjoyment. This is a subwoofer system with limits well beyond the needs of the typical home theater application, delivering a weight and integrity of reproduction that can only come from a system that is always in control. Its allure lies as much in its ability to convey subtleties as in its prodigious output capabilities. It is simply devastating. A luxurious, handcrafted gloss-black finish is complemented by machined aluminum and stainless steel accents for a look and feel that fits perfectly with the finest home furnishings. More importantly, the beautiful cabinet houses a pair of JL Audio’s highest-technology subwoofer drivers. When demanded by program material, the Gotham’s amplifier can deliver voltage equivalent to 3,800 watts of RMS power to take full advantage of the twin drivers’ four inches of peak-to-peak excursion capability. This ensures that the Gotham™ can breeze through material that makes other subwoofers go into clipping, limiting or distress. Listening to a Gotham® reveals an entirely new dimension of subwoofer performance... a dimension so satisfying that listening to lesser subwoofers will forever become an act of compromise. Available Models: g213 (click for specs and feature list) Model: g213-GLOSS SKU: 96237 Cabinet Finish: High-Gloss Black
    • Playback Designs System MS5
    I just never thought that I would sell my Meitner gear because for years IMO it was the leader of the pack. Not so fast any more as along came the PDS MS-5 which creates music as close to vinyl as the real thing
    • Studer Reel To Reel A-810
    A fully refurbished state of the art Studio reel to reel
    • Krell Theater Amplifier Standard
    This is used to drive my center channel, surround channels and rear channel. I use it only for home theater however when Krell releases their SACD standard in May, I will delve into multichannel audio. I continue to use a Krell FPB-750 mcX for my Wilson XS subwoofer. I use 6.1 and not 7.1 in my room
    • Wilson Audio WATCH Center Channel
    I have used many center channel speakers but have found this one to outperform anything that I have previously owned. I use it with its accompanying speaker stand centered right under my screen. Recently upgraded this center channel to Black Almondine to match my new X-2 series ll speakers
    • Wilson Audio WATCH Surround (left and right)
    A perfect compliment for my Wilson X-1/XS speakers.
    • Nordost Valhalla
    I use this in my front end. An unbelievably transparent interconnect. I was using Tara Labs The Zero which was magnificent but I feel the Valhalla is a notch above even though The Zero was priced at $12,500 for a 2 meter pair of balanced cables
    • Wilson Audio WATCH rear
    I decided on only 6.1 rather than 7.1 and am very impressed with this speaker in my home theater
    • Sim2 Triple Chip DLP Projector C3X 1080
    For those following the buzz on the internet this is the latest triple chip DLP from Sim that has a picture unequaled for projectors of this price and size
    • Isco 2.35 Anamorphic Lens Model lll
    Anamorphic 2.35 lens for Sim 2 projector
    • Stewart Filmscreen Firehawk G3 CineV 130
    A CIH screen with native 2.35 aspect ratio and 120 inch width. Masks to 16 x 9 as well
    • Sony BDP-S2000ES
    Sony's flagship Blu-ray Disc™ player, with astounding audio enhancements and vibration-reduction that deliver phenomenal results in a rock-solid design
    • Lexicon MC12B-HD v 1.2
    Most impressive about the MC-12 HD is its extensive custom processing capabilities. Four 32-bit floating-point DSP engines provide vast resources for such proprietary features as Logic 7, Auto Azimuth correction, five-speaker enhancement, bass enhancement, and dialog enhancement. Lexicon?s bass management system, digital crossovers and tone controls are also powered by these DSP engines. This processing is performed at sample rates up to 96kHz with 24-bit resolution to retain top performance from all input sources. A fifth DSP engine is dedicated to decoding Dolby Digital and DTS sources. Inside and out, the MC-12 HD is designed to accommodate potential hardware and software advancements with internal expansion, a removable rear panel access plate, and two RS-232 connectors.
    • Nordost Valhalla AES/EBU
    A digital cable with XLR (balanced)terminations. Used to connect the Krell kps25sc to the EMM Labs DAC 6
    • Nordost Valhalla
    Simply the best and most transparent cable I have ever used. I sold my Tara Labs The Omega for these cables. As great as the Omega was, I find there is no comparison with the Valhalla
    • Nordost Valhalla
    20 amp IEC power cables (one pair) used for my Audio Research Refernce 600 Mark lll mono amps. This resulted in immediate improvement in bass as well as producing a somewhat more dynamic sound.
    • Tara Labs RSC Gen 2
    Used in my home theater
    • Tara Labs RSC Air One
    5 pair of balanced cables used in my home theater
    • Tara Labs The One
    I have 2 of these in my front end. They made a big difference
    • Absolute Power Line Purifier
    Used in my home theater side. A very solid work horse
    • Aurios Pro MIb
    Decouplers. An absolute must in any system. I use these under my Krell kps25sc and Audio Research Reference ll Mark ll. I have also found dramatic improvement in my bass when used under my Wilson X-1 Grand Slamm speakers. These are sold exclusively at http://www.audionut.com Ask for Bob Williams. he will give you all of the theory behind this tweak.You can reach him at 1-877-944-5505
    • Acoustic Sciences Corporation Tube Traps
    The single best tweak to my room was to have ASC design room modifications (tube traps)according to the size of my room with the type of gear used. I have a total of 38 tube traps in the room in all sizes, varying from Super trap 20's, Super trap 16's and trap 13's, 11's and 9's. I did this in stages according to the plans provided by ASC and once finished I had a true 2C3D room. The walls are virtually invisible.
    • Acoustic Sciences Corporation Sound Planks
    Also part of the design rendered for my room by ASC. These sit at the front wall and have vastly improved the sound in the room.
    • Billy Bags AV Pro
    This is used for my home theater equiment
    • Billy Bags CD/DVD Stand
    Designrd specifically for my room I am able to store over 1000 CD's and/or DVD's
    • Zoethecus component stands Z.2/R (2 in all)
    Great looking, good support and excellent isolation
    • Zoethecus amp stands (3 in all) Z.block/1d
    Great looking with super isolation
    • Musical Fidelity Tube Output Buffer X-10v3
    high input impedance allowing me to drive my new JL Gotham subs without compromising my Audio Research Reference 3 preamp
    • Musical Fidelity Tube Output Buffer Power Supply
    Optional separate power supply for tube buffer which helps bass response from Gotham Subs
    • Transparent Reference (RSE) Interconnect
    20 foot pair from Tube Buffer Output to Gotham subs and one meter pair from ARC Ref3 to Tube Output Buffer
    • See Other Web site For More Details And Pictures
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I don't know Oneobgyn. Once I saw your picture of that animation, all the other pictures looked like animations-and not the real thing. How can we be sure those other pictures are real now?

mmakshak

Oneobgyn, fantastic! I think there is a quality(relaxation, and maybe getting lost in the music)which digital might not quite(or ever)have.

mmakshak

Oneobgyn,I guess this means no demerits(darn!)? Speaking of acoustic products, I recently had an ear-opening experience by putting an 8th nerve rectangle behind me at the wall/ceiling junction. I have 5 ASC tube traps(with 2 more ready to deploy), five nine-inch and two of the next bigger size. Three sets of Cathedral Sound Panels sit in the upper corners. One RPG Abfussor is used at the first reflection on the side, and one 8th nerve rectangle behind the speakers. So your talk about acoustics has had some effect on me. I actually think that possibly the 8th nerve rectangle might serve me better where I have the upper ASC(stacked) in the corner. I should read more of your description of the sound that the Playback System has added to your system, and I will. But just in case, what difference would listening to the Playback on your system versus the Meitner have(so I can say what part it plays in this). Also, should I expect just an improvement of the bass due to your subwoofer? I owe you a cd, so I have to get you one first(don't expect great sound from it though), but if you are having a listening session in late December or sometime in January, I'de love to have a hear.

mmakshak

I looked back at your description of the seriesII. Are you saying, Steve, that you no longer have to listen high(not drugs)up? I've always associated a good sound up high with a well set-up system(for instance a turntable setup). Also, does the seriesII have a richer tonal balance(not that it needed that, or anything-I may have just assumed it from Wilson's experiences in Vienna)? Did you move the sweet-spot chair? If so, we will have to take 2 demerits(in your case that equals 2 tube-traps-we'll be coming by to get them.)from you.

mmakshak

In the "Celestine Prophecy", the author said that people interact with others to get energy. One of the 4 ways to do this is to ask, "Are you sure?"(to create self-doubt, which robs the self-doubter of energy). Anyway, I know why you don't have analog, Steve. Your visitor's would then never leave. I'm lazy(or afraid of losing what I've written so far)so does the MPS-5 play cd's?

mmakshak

If you sold every part of your house, except the listening room, I believe you could afford the Lamm 3.0's and analog.

mmakshak

Thank you for your kind offer of an audition, Oneobgyn. I just have to arrange for disposal of my stereo system afterwards, though. I'm already working on speaker placement, and when dialed in, I will listen to "Hotel California" and your compilation. Remember that I actually never heard your Wilson subwoofer. I will e-mail you when completed. Do you have any other suggestions for me to do? I did listen to a sample of K2, and thought its quality showed-even through computer speakers. The sound seemed to project out more.

mmakshak

Oneobgyn, I listened to "Hotel California" recently on my system, and it reminded me of listening to it on yours. Of course, it wouldn't stand up under close scrutiny(i.e., a direct comparison), but it must be doing something right for this to occur. You just aren't going to want to know what piece of equipment did this.

mmakshak

Gregadd, I gave Oneobgyn some Penta water, and he didn't open it in his room. Does that help you in your "no eating" query?

mmakshak

Sorry I missed your listening sessions with the ML3. It's somewhat heartening(to us poorer folks) to hear that, "one can only dream about owning the ML 3's", as that is the exact same thing that occurs to people involved with this hobby at a lower price range. So, when people say, "if I only had X amount of money, I would be happy", they are wrong. For instance, I just discovered a $1200 preamp/DAC that beats my $5700 preamp/cd player. So keep looking folks, you may be suprised. Just don't listen to Oneobgyn's system, because you will be disappointed in your own(just kidding!). Actually, I learned some things listening to his system, that I can take with me to other auditions. One of the main ideas that Oneobgyn gave me was proper software. The cd or record is the one thing that doesn't change when auditioning equipment. I'm still trying to duplicate that Pretender's song on other systems.

mmakshak

I would be very interested in attending. I just met the BAAS's president recently, and need to join it.

mmakshak

We're looking forward to seeing the pictures, and thanks for the ASC answer. The Lamm's had visceral impact in drums. I know that's not how visceral is usually used, but that Pretender's song was lead by drums at times. On other systems that part gets left out. You don't feel it in the gut, but you lose the feel of the song.

mmakshak

I should flesh-out that fabric-covered plastic thing a little, although I think it's more important to put some acoustic device if you are faced with a similiar open door that is close to behind a speaker. It looks like a DIY(except for that arrow). It is 19 inches by 19 inches. The front has 4 cavities of 3 different widths. I also use two ASC tube traps, an RPG abfussor, and Cathedral Sound Panels(try'em before you criticize them). I retired some Lernd(?) bass traps. There is no possible way that that Wilson subwoofer left your room, Oneobgyn. We will need photo proof, or hospital paperwork from the movers.

mmakshak

Since you did your ASC tube traps in stages, can you give me an idea what stacking them does? I liked what one 9-inch did when placed between my speakers. I'de like to mention one thing I did that improved the sound from one side. I put a plastic thing(with an arrow showing direction on its back), with fabric covering it, on the wall behind the speaker. This speaker has a door opening fairly close behind it. I don't know the name of this acoustic device(I bought it from Justlisten.). Anyhow, for those people with similiar situations, I would recommend doing something like this. It added some detail that was missing-maybe disappearing into the opening? Placement in the vertical direction was done by ear. Horizontal placement was dictated by a mirror strip that I wanted to cover.

mmakshak

Sorry it took so long for me to reply, I will e-mail my address to you, thanks. I was really suprised the other day with a cd that I thought was good sounding. When we tried it on another system, the volume was much greater than the previous cd. It turned out that it was produced that way on purpose, and ultimately this diminishes the dynamic range. That cd that was louder is, Jackson Browne's, "The Naked Ride Home". I tend to listen to most of my cd's at one volume level, which leads to being impressed when a cd is recorded louder. A cd that I'm going to buy is "The Essential Byrds". It's not a great recording, but it has a lot of their songs(2 cd's) in one place.

mmakshak

Would the reunion include Peter Gabriel? The "Platinum Collection" has a lot of the songs that you hear on that 2-hour TV program about Genesis that comes on periodically. I'm at the point where I have to hear a cd on my system before I buy it. It was a lot different with records. You could buy based on who was on the record. Even if the record wasn't that good, I would still play it occasionally. Not so with cd, although some of the latest cd's sound great. HDCD on the cover helps, but not always. I bought Roger Waters, "In the Flesh"; Jackson Brown, "The Naked Ride Home"(typical Jackson Brown, but excellent backing musicians and recording); Bruce Springsteen, "The Rising"(I'm not a big Springsteen fan-I like him sometimes.); and Bob Dylan's, "The Essential Bob Dylan"(bought for historical reasons, but pretty good overall). All these sound good on my system, and I will play them. Most of my other purchases were hit or miss(mostly miss). Did Phil play much of the Genesis material at Shoreline?

mmakshak

I was wondering how my current fave cd, Genesis,"Platinum" would sound on your system? It sounds great on mine, but when I've tried things like that in the past, it hasn't always turned out that way? Have you heard it?

mmakshak

That demonstration cd is awesome! Thanks Oneobgyn. Jc51373, I think you missed a $. In my case those $'s would be cents. Amfibius, if you had an interest in medicine, that won't go away even if you quit your training. Oneobgyn, I was thinking that because your system is so good, you could give us advice on cd's or other audio equipment, because you can hear the full effect of them. I only say this to give you another possible thread/idea on your site here.

mmakshak

You are welcome, Oneobgyn. I'm just sorry that it took so long. I didn't miss anything in the bass at your house, although I'm probably not qualified to say that. Certainly, that Pretender's song wasn't missing anything in the slam department.

mmakshak

I want to apologize for what I said about your thinking on turntable choice. I've since read about that company's efforts in that area, and they are further along than I thought they were. Thank you for mentioning HT(home theatre) in a context that allowed me to understand what HT means(I thought it meant something about high-end before-now everyone knows my ignorance!). I bought a Nuforce P-8 preamplifier and had JsaWhitlock install 3 dedicated lines for our place, since I last saw you. We will be sending you something soon.

mmakshak

Doc, if you go analog, I would suggest that you stick with albums made before 1982. They are totally relaxing. I've found that they might not have the detail that good digital has. That gives you a way of evaluating things. I'm not sure that your inclinations in the way of analog are correct. I have a Linn(circa 1992) with all the right things at that time. I just don't believe that Grand Prix has the answers. Maybe they do, I don't know. My suggestion is that you stick with albums made before 1982, and try to see if the detail is enough for you accept them as a source. No matter what anyone says, they are totally relaxing. Those guys don't know why we listen to music! I've given up a lot for music.

mmakshak

I want to mention that Oneobgyn says the one constant you can have when evaluating equipment is the source(i.e., cd, lp, etc.). For instance, I know how a couple of songs sounded on Oneobgyn's system, how they sound on my system, and how they should sound(hint: it's not how they sound on my system.), when evaluating equipment.

mmakshak

I guess my synapses are getting old(as I am). I think that if you took the number of days between this response to my last one, and divide it into my age, you could determine how many years before the full onset of Alzheimer's will occur for me. I have the music to test other equipment. Thanks Oneobgyn! When/if you get a chance, can you e-mail the name of the last XRCD that you played for us? I do want to mention that the real "absolute sound" is when the whole meaning to the song is changed with lesser equipment, and not tonal balance.

mmakshak

Oneobgyn, this is what is bothering me. How can I get some of those dynamics you had? For instance, I have to get a preamp. Would a tube preamp be better for the dynamics? I hesitate on tubes because of aging(both mine, and the tubes), and I don't even use a Conrad Johnson PV-6 that I have, because of unreliabity. I would prefer solid-state due to reliability-especially at my price-point. I do know that my speakers are very inefficient(Ori's 3-watt amp had trouble driving them.). Maybe if I improve the speakers(efficiency) in the future, that would help the dynamics?

mmakshak

Oneobgyn, thank you for those discs! Unfortunately, I'm going to need your system to fully appreciate them. A moving van is on the way. In the meantime, my preamp developed a hum problem(I left it on all the time, even though it is on when plugged in. Big mistake!) BTW, do you have any advice on a preamp? My brother is willing to spring for $1,200 for the Nuforce P8(which allows for full credit towards their P9). I want to mention that Oneobgyn has tuned his acoustic treatment himself, and his speakers-which are adjustable, were adjusted by Oneobgyn. My brother had the sweet-spot, and I mostly listened sitting on where the couches came together. Let me tell you though, the cut that really impressed me("Private Lies"?, live, by the Pretenders) was heard while listening there. He had me move to an ottoman right behind my brother, and sure enough, I heard more detail there. I just want to say that the sound, either place, was fast and super-dynamic. That same Pretenders' cut, at home, was a very good song, but at Oneobgyn's it had, what I call, a Scorpio effect. By that, I mean, I would never have thought of the way the song was done, or doing it that way. Think Neil Young, Dwayne Almond, maybe Ricki Lee Jones(all Scorpio's), here. That song makes perfect sense in a mediocre system(mine). It does not make sense(in the way that I described it) in Oneobgyn's system. I'm not sure I've expressed my meaning here. In Oneobgyn's system, I said, to myself, that I would never even think of doing the song like that. In my system, it was just a great song. Some of the other cuts on those CDr's are buried, a little, in the hum-but I will be hearing them on other people's systems. I want to bring Oneobgyn's talents into the audio area. I previewed what I said, and I'm not sure I've expressed the overwhelming effect that Oneobgyn's system has on cd's.

mmakshak

Oneobgyn, good luck on your Medspa. I'm hoping that anything that has to do with healing will be included? I have to mention this. Do you try to get people to underestimate you? The reason that I state this is that it would be a complete mistake. Please forgive me if I went too far with this statement. I want your input in audio(selfishly).

mmakshak

Oneobgyn, thank you for lessons on audio! We realized early on that your system is not comparable to ours. I do think room acoustics are very important, also. More important than people realize? Sorry about the mix-up on Neil Young. My brother's best friend gave it to him for his birthday. I still can't believe that "Pretenders" song(BTW, do you know the name of it?). We were energized, and ended up talking about it for three or four hours. People might not understand that you were basically on call 24/7 for those 35 years, unless babies arrive on a schedule?

mmakshak

Oneobgyn, I consider it an honor that you have asked me back. Thank you! I've consulted some people, who I respect, to give me some direction in this second audition. Dgad, I've been having so many problems with my analog, that could you tell us what analog system you have, and what you've discovered along the way? Oneobgyn, I look forward to hearing what you have to say about room acoustics. My acoustic treatment, so far, had to do with a bass boom that was diminished with some bass traps.

mmakshak

Shoot, I thought that I answered you. I'm sorry, and very appreciative of your offer. I was tied up(at Ori's), but now I'm not, so I will try to contact you. I thought I had many more cd's than I had before in the last listening session, but after a listening at Ori's, I may only have a few worth listening to on your system. I will contact you shortly. My bass traps helped with a boom problem, and I thought I would continue them to the ceiling, but I noticed in your system, and another picture from an audio retailer, that you guys don't have anything in the upper corners. Any thoughts on that?

mmakshak

Oneobgyn, I believe that you have much to give us. I do believe that you are reticent in this area. There could be many reasons, some of which are pertainent. Let it go, Oneobgyn, you are near the forefront of reproduced music! Your ideas have got to be, at least, interesting. Very few people have what you have. If you let those ideas go, no matter how weird they are, you will be helping!

mmakshak

Can I mention something, Oneobgyn. This has haunted,or been running through my head, me since you said it. The one thing that you can count on are the recordings(cd's). I guess, what that means is that that is the one constant. Maybe, Oneobgyn, you can give us further thoughts in this area. I know that I've been thinking about that since you mentioned it to me. One of the things I'm assuming here, is to bring the recordings that you are familiar with to any audition? I do know that "Celtic Spirits", as far as volume goes, has me thinking(Your system versus my system.). That was a recording that I had listened to on my system a lot.

mmakshak

No doubt. I'm coming over to collect your whole system. That's the only way to know for sure, don't you think? Exactly how can we transport your whole room to my house? I'm am curious about the sound stage placement as it pertains to volume. Do you have any ideas in this area? There is also a question on Audiogon about two-channel versus, let's say, 5.1, when it comes to digital. You have both, I believe, and, maybe, can give some insight. This discussion is on Audiogon, "When is digital going to get the soul of music". It's mostly toward the end of the discussion, but D_Edwards has a lot to say about it.

mmakshak

Davabar, I think Oneobgyn might be too modest to say anything negative. I do want to point out that Oneobgyn has a completely dedicated room to audio/video, with a complete acoustical treatment. That's what I want to point out-his acoutical treatment. I've listened in two audio designer's rooms, and neither had Oneobgyn's acoustics. I don't mean this to be negative to you, but maybe to point out a possible avenue to investigate. I am not good in this area, also. I just think that I heard differences between those 3 systems that had to do with acoustics(among other things-we're talking affordable here.).

mmakshak

Crisla, I can't answer your question about dynamics. I can say that dynamics never crossed my mind while listening to Oneobgyn's system. Of course, his system is not something that I could afford, but I can mention that he has a Krell 600 also(I believe that is correct.), and the question of dynamics rests with Oneobgyn.

mmakshak

You're kidding, right? The was the best listening environment I've ever been in. One area that was intriguing to me was the plane that the main sound was coming from. What I mean is maybe the distance from the listener, and how it varied. I thought that you mostly liked the sound at a certain distance(I thought it was close to the plane of the speakers, but memory is hazy.). Certainly, when we lowered the volume on "Celtic Spirit", the sound went way back. BTW, Stereopnile reviews your Audio Research Reference 3 in this month's issue. I haven't read it yet, but what are your impressions of their review?

mmakshak

Oneobgyn, can you give us further information on acoustics? You have a completely dedicated room for audio, which most of us can't have, but maybe you could help us tame some of our nasties? For instance, I have one speaker near a corner and one near an opening. Any advice would be appreciated.

mmakshak

Howard, can I say that the experience of listening ot Oneobgyn's system is invaluable? Let him dictate what you listen to, but have a few cd's that you are familiar with. I had one, that was so different from what I expected(the sound was recessed-much more so than I was used to). The doc doesn't realize what a great cd it is. You can learn from the experience. As a Libra(who values freedom), it liberated me(since my system was so far off) to move my speakers. I have to mention this, though. Boa, wouldn't answer any questions about listening at the Doc's. I will, though. My cd sounded(first song) sounded more recessed than I was used to. Food for thought?

mmakshak

Hic, I can't answer your question. All I can say that Oneobgyn's system is something else. I'm sure(at least, I think I am) that he will let you listen to his system. My advice is that you should let him choose the cd's. I've already presented something that differs in our systems- I'm not sure that has meaning. My advice is to listen to his system as he presents it, and adjust your system accordingly.

mmakshak

Sorry that I didn't get back with you Steve. I did start to write something. Anyway, I think you are on right track. Your system is something else. I just won a bid on ebay for that Eagles XRCD, "Hell Freezes Over". "Hotel California" sounded unbelievable on your system. Maybe it will show me something that is missing on mine, not that mine is, in any way, comparable to yours. Alex wants me to listen to Ella and Louie on his system-maybe at a higher volume than before. Louie's voice was just incredible. A lot of what audiophiles talk about is pure nonsense in the context of your system.

mmakshak

Steve, I've got to warn you. By exposing me to the ultimate in high-end, you may have made a mistake. I'm really into music(as I am sure you know). What I come up with, may really suprise you. Don't take it personally. I don't think that I could possibly equal what you have, but I might present things that you are not prepared for. I don't know, but I think you know me. Whatever I come up with, comes from truth(my truth, of course). I might hit you with a couple of questions, although I'm not sure. Your system is so far advanced from mine that I can't be sure. But don't discount what I say, as it comes from reality(according to me).

mmakshak

One area, in my system, that has been helped by listening to Steve's system is speaker placement. Before, I was worried that I might disturb the synergy of my system by moving my speakers. Because my sound is so far off the ideal, I have no problem trying to dial in speaker placement better. Thank you, Steve! Remember that group that you have heard before? Well I bought the regular cd, and I've bid on what version you recommended. I believe it was the third cut that you played on Sunday.

mmakshak

I'm hoping that my other response made it through, but, so far, I don't see it. Well, anyway, my brother and I took the plunge, and we are listening to our system after hearing Steve's(Oneobgyn). We have decided, since you were so gracious, not to blame you 100% for our disatisfaction with our system. We were wondering if maybe you were the devil, though. You invite people over, giving the impression that they will appreciate your system and think of ways to upgrade their own. In actuality, the listening session results in complete disatisfaction with their system. Meanwhile, you are snickering in the background? Seriously, though, it seems like my system is a facsimile of music. My system sounds like it it beautiful, while yours was. BTW, just for your info, I thought that you dialed in the correct volume(42-I think) for "Celtic Spirit"(Narada, 1996), but in my system the correct volume makes the sound more forward-kind of like the cd's that you played for me. Just food for thought.

mmakshak

I just got back from Steve's(Oneobgyn)house. First, I want to thank Steve for allowing my brother and I to listen to a system that was so unbelievable. I don't think(and I apologize in advance for saying this) that the sound that we heard could be duplicated-at least in the Bay Area. I do have a suggestion, though. Let Steve play his cd's. He has dialed in the sound. When I played two of mine, they fell short, compared to what Steve had played for us, although I thought Steve would have dialed in "Celtic Spirit" properly,given time. I want to mention one SACD. It was(I guess it still is?) Bob Dylan's, "Blood on the Tracks" SACD. While superficially, it might sound similiar to what you hear on your home system, when you listen to it closely, all these other things happen. The timing was incredible. Steve has a dedicated room that has been treated to unbelievable lengths. All the equipment sounded fantastic. Those Wilson Alexandria speakers completely disappear. Good luck trying to upgrade, Steve(just kidding)!

mmakshak

When/if I come to listen, I couldn't bring many cd's, but I could bring a recent APL Hi-Fi Denon 3910 cd player, and about 6 inches of Ori's interconnects, if you are interested. Both Ori(who doesn't receive the credit he should)and Alex are very gifted individuals.

mmakshak

I have been so inclined from the beginning. Do you think that I'm qualified, though? I just got back my cd player, and I just found out that cd can beat analog. There seems to be a huge variation in cd quality, which can influence the dialog between cd and analog. Sure, I can come to your house and be wowed, which I'm sure will happen. But are you sure that is what you and I want? I am new to digital, and I think I need some more learning. But if you think that I/you will benefit from the listening situation, I'm more than willing to do it. I would actually love it. Anyhow, no matter what, I appreciate you extending the invitation. I think that you would have to be the teacher in this situation, though.

mmakshak

Doc, my messages have been erased twice, so I will keep this short. I only have one cd to play on your system right now. The Jerry Garcia's Band, "After Midnight", Kean College, 2/28/80. I just want to mention that I'm not a lightweight whatsoever. I only care about music!

mmakshak

I hope you don't mind that I haven't reviewed all the answers, etc. here. I just have to say that that Alex's latest edition of the Denon 3910 is fully competitive with analog. I am a neophyte when it comes to digital, but it seems to me that certain cd's are created more equal-get my drift? With analog, I can definitely recommend 1981 or earler recordings. What say ye?

mmakshak

I'de love to hear your system. I'm just not sure I'm qualified in the digital domain. I have noticed a few things with things digital. People try to use hi-fi spectaculars as a way of determining things(and I'm not saying you do). I'm not like that. I listen to music to get off on it. I understand that if one is into accuracy, that that means something. To me, the only thing that means anything, is how much one gets off on music. This might include the music playing through your head when you are away from your system, or your desire to run home to listen to it. Alex is modifiying my cd player now. I'm trying to get info on what digital to buy. I'm thinking I might be more qualified in at least two months. BTW, Alex's AC motor controller and phono-preamp on a Gyrodec killed a Rockport with a Van Der Zeel preamp($12,000) on a cd that he made from the turntables. I do appreciate the offer though. Actually, I would probably learn someting-maybe just how a real high-end system should sound like.

mmakshak

I hope you don't get offended by this. Currently, I believe that analog has a relaxation quotient that digital doesn't have. Of course, I don't have access to the highest end(and won't ever have) of digital, but I believe this aspect needs to be addressed. Many, if not most, people are in the same situation. Why do we listen to music? I have to admit that Alex's system(APL Hi-Fi) was the best audio that I have ever heard. The relaxation thing was not a problem-but what about the cost? Analog(pre-1982 lp's) has no problem in this area. You can answer this question, I believe. I can only answer it in terms of cost.

mmakshak

It looks like no one is going to answer you on the Marigo mat. I asked Alex of APL-Hi Fi about the mat. He said that it was great. You just have to make sure that you center it.

mmakshak

I guess I'm a legend in my own mind. If one makes a fool out of oneself in public, are those the credentials I was talking about? It's either that or maybe what's printed on my Safeway receipt? My $10,000 turntable cost me under 4 grand, and I'm still paying for it. I really just wanted to ask about Ori's interconnects. Were they too expensive due to length? I also wanted to mention that analog can be a good source of music also, with the price of albums being so cheap.

mmakshak

I have to tell the truth-I've been drinking. I've just setup(a little bit) a $10,000 analog turntable. It was a Linn, Lingo, nude Archive, Ekos, Mana table. Even though the tracking force is too high(and the anti-skate incorrect), and the Mana table incorrect, I wonder why you don't have an analog setup. Yes, it's not as impressive as a digital one, but why do you listen to music? If you stick to 1981 or earlier albums, you would be okay. I hesitate to mention this, but I have pretty good academic credentials,i.e., I am no dummy. I also wonder about Ori's shielded interconnects for you(from readings, shielded is inferior.).

mmakshak

Well said, Oneobgyn. I did ask Alex of Aplhifi if he listened to the sound behind the notes. He kind of looked at me with an incredulous look and said no. I know that he and Ori have met and talked about things at BAAS. Both are very interesting people, and I think they both definitely listen to something specific in audio. It's just that what they look for is different from each other.

mmakshak

The inflation in the Bay Area is incredible isn't it? I have to admit I'm not sure of the price(I don't pay too much attention to things that aren't pertinent to me,). You should have seen the effect that Alex's music had on his three-month old girl.

mmakshak

Oneobgyn, I just got back from Alex's at Aplhifi. I am putting a deposit on a Apl Denon 3910, and I own no cd's. He said that he would be glad to bring by his Esoteric, a $22,000 cd player, I believe, to compare to your Meitner. He has only one week to do that, though. Then he has to send it out.

mmakshak

I'm going to go way out on a limb here. Please don't tell those white-coated people where I live. What I heard at Alphifi's house didn't have to do with the notes being played, or the presentation of the song. It had to do with how it affected you after listening to his system. I can't explain what I don't understand.

mmakshak

Doc, I had a very confusing audition this last Saturday. I went to Aplhifi's home to listen to his system, among other things. I was totally analog, and although I heard some digital artifacts such as hearing that one guy's voice was mostly coming from the left side of his throat, and Eric Clapton cd's dynamics seemed unnatural, it didn't seem to matter. When I left his place, I was unusually high from listening to music. If I were to rate the high a 15, I would rate my system's high at 1 or less. I don't understand it, although I'm starting to inquire. It almost seemed like the notes being played didn't matter. Anyhow, he lives even closer to you than Ori, I believe. He also sells what I heard, among other things. If you get a chance , I' de be interested in your thoughts about it. Maybe not in hi-fi terms, but how it makes you feel afterwards.

mmakshak

I'de be very interested in a listening session.

mmakshak

Where are my manners? Thank you, Oneobgyn, for taking time out to investigate the Oritek interconnects. I'de like to mention two things. One, my current theory is that his X-1's can interact negatively with other interconnects(something that doesn't apply to his X-2's, I believe). Second, you can get .4 meters or less for $329(as a X-1 owner, I paid $390 for .6 meters{25 inches, tip-to-tip}). This gives an idea of the price(Ori says that the X-2's tend to dominate a system. I agree, but this is a positive thing.).

mmakshak

I have heard good things about Meitner digital stuff from other people, also. I swear I saw Ori touch my RCA plug with his fingers(on the X-2 interconnects that I bought), and even though I have 100% deoxit and 100% pro-gold and have Ori's blessing to try them, I haven't yet because the sound is so good(It would require me turn off my amps.).

mmakshak

I recommend these two products because I don't think a person will regret the purchase or worry about what else they need, because something is missing. Geography plays a part, I believe(I live close to both manufacturers). I got the cheapest Oritek X-2 offered, because I wouldn't have paid any more for an interconnect. Coors and a vacation interacted, I'm sure. I just don't think that one can go wrong with these two products. I love a debate, though. How else can you learn? I'm not really recommending these to people that have a well setup, let's say, single-ended system-just to people who are on their way to something equivalent to that.

mmakshak

You have a super high-end system. I would be interested in your opinion of the Oritek X-2 interconnects.

mmakshak