After considerable reflection and R & R, I have decided to forego my analog experience at this time.  Instead, I plan to upgrade my existing digital system as much as is sensible and  leave it at that.

I know that after the shiny newness wore off, I would not be happy with the effort (and money) required to both play and maintain a quality analog system.  At that point, I would probably sell it and take a loss on my purchases.  By arriving at this decision now, I am able to return most of my purchases to Music Direct and come out almost whole again.  I do still need to find a home for my Allnic phono stage that is new in the box - I am currently selling it through Albert Porter at a great price on this site - ask him about it....

For me, the above decision makes the most sense at this point.  I may change my mind later, but I doubt it.  When I can get my digital system to approach, equal and in some cases even better expensive analog systems, at least to my ears, I feel no need to explore the bottomless money pit that is called "analog".  (Probably one of my more intelligent decisions in a while) :-)

fplanner2000 November 30, 2015 23:43

Decided to wait until January to make analog additions. Turntable still isn't here yet and my busy season at work is at hand.

In addition, VAC is now working on a new high end phono stage that should be ready around CES, maybe. That is the piece I want to add to my all-VAC system, so the Allnic phono stage is now for sale, unopened. What I really want is the Statement Phono Stage, but its beyond my budget.(Plus I already have the Statement Line Stage in the circuit)

The timing on this will work much better for me now and things will be simplified, which I like.

fplanner2000 October 10, 2015 04:51

I've currently gotten the Allnic and phono cables in. Hope to receive the VPI and Ortofon cartridge within the next week or so. :-) Already started accumulating great lp's based on suggestions from other A'gon members to a thread on the subject I put up several weeks ago. Thanks for all your responses!!

fplanner2000 September 09, 2015 03:21

Lak-
Thanks for the positive comments - I hope you're right.:-)

I might have everything in 3-4 weeks if I'm lucky; if not, 5-7 weeks. I'll also need to find someone in town to help me put it all together who really knows their way around analog gear.....

fplanner2000 August 17, 2015 13:07

After considerable thought, I came to the conclusion that if analog didn't sound any good in my system, there would be something wrong with my ears. Given that, I decided to take advantage of a few opportunities that came my way.

I will be getting a VPI Classic Signature Turntable complete with a 10" JMW 3d printed tonearm, as well as an Ortofon Windfeld MC phono cartridge. Both have won a number of awards and have been recommended by several highly-experienced analog friends, notably Kevin Hayes of VAC, so I am totally comfortable with these purchases.

I also came across an interesting opportunity on a demo Allnic phono-stage, namely the H3000 LCR Mk2, and so will be getting that as well. This will be thanks to the efforts of Albert Porter in Dallas, another audiophile buddy.

Don't see how I can go wring with these choices, especially to start. They may or may not ever be upgraded, depending upon my experience with them in my system. I am satisfied that they are of high enough quality to sound great in my system and provide some of that "analog magic" that purely digital systems, including my own, seem to lack. I can't wait!! :-) (

Again, this seems more like a foregone conclusion than a real "experiment", which is why these purchases make sense to me...)

fplanner2000 August 17, 2015 03:19

I am currently contemplating a possible foray into the analog realm of our hobby. I have heard incredible analog performances out of gear very similar to mine at various shows over the past several years. This makes me curious as to what my system might sound like with an analog front end. On the other hand, I don't have the time nor patience for the brain damage many incur when they enter the analog world. As a result, I have decided to do a bit of experimenting with some different entry-level-type analog front ends. I realize that the rest of my system is very far from "entry-level" - at this point, I just want to get a feel for whether my room and system will like analog. I'm aware the sound will be different - after allowances for the lower quality of the analog gear, if I hear indications that its at best a lateral move, the experiment is over. On the other hand, if it shows promise, I will probably switch out some of the analog gear and then re-listen. At this point, I have nothing to lose and an opportunity to "plug-and-play" an analog front end into a really good high-end system to see what happens. I'm excited by the potential, but also leery of the brain damage.... :-) Plan to start this within a month or so, depending upon gear and my availability...

fplanner2000 August 14, 2015 03:47

Threaded Stillpoint Ultra 5s into bottoms of Focals - bass instantly got tighter and entire presentation got more realistic. I can't believe I waited this long to do this! Ultras were left over from my prior speakers.

fplanner2000 June 10, 2015 18:56

The HF URR pcs between wall and p-10 regenerators continue to impress. They are about even as far as break-in is concerned and if I had to guess, would estimate they are probably only about 30% broken in, if that. Noticeable changes are still happening pretty regularly, as I get surprised by an added detail or nuance, or a bass line that just reveals itself out of nowhere. Separation and detail keep improving as well - Holst's Planets has become startlingly REAL, for example. The system has also gotten noticeably quieter - the blackness has gotten blacker, so to speak. Very happy at this point. :-)

fplanner2000 March 23, 2015 23:47

System edited: Added a High Fidelity Ultimate Reference Rhodium power cable last weekend between wall and one of the 2 P-10 power regenerators. Results were outstanding - even better than I expected and break-in has barely started. Added another today for the other 1/2 of my system. Full break-in will probably take months, but I am already noticing positive changes - tighter, faster bass, better separation, more information in the presentation and even better musicality. Everything is coming together to sound pretty remarkable, at least to my ears. Fortunately, there is still more break-in to go with my preamp and its newly upgraded CCA tubes, as well as the rack and Rhodium power cables. Every time I turn on the system now, there is something new that I hadn't heard before to greet me. Its really quite amazing to hear different background noises I've never heard before, or buried bass lines, etc. I don't see tinkering with this system any more for YEARS!! YAAAAYY!!

fplanner2000 February 21, 2015 00:50

Larry-
As your comment points out, this is a very subjective area. My system also has mostly HF UR interconnects, so already has a fairly high degree of magnetic properties. Another suggestion might be to try the ICs if you haven't already in connection with a HF pc. What others have found is that using several of the HF power cords, regardless of level, creates a presentation unlike anything they've heard before. You might also give Rick a call, tell him what you've done and the results, and see what he suggests. I have found him to be very helpful and responsive. He will help you figure out a solution within your budget.

fplanner2000 February 14, 2015 17:37

Larry-
Will do. I have already compared P-4 to HF UR pc on my transport. It wasn't even close, with the HF winning. More clarity, detail, musicality, etc. Needless to say, if possible, I would try a HF pc on your CDP to see if you duplicate my results.

fplanner2000 February 13, 2015 15:58

Will be trying a High Fidelity URR PC from the wall to 1 of my P-10's this weekend, in the place of a High Diamond P-4. This could prove quite interesting. :-)

fplanner2000 February 13, 2015 04:51

Mark-
Hard to go wrong with VAC, if that's the direction you take.

fplanner2000 February 10, 2015 17:28

Thanks Mark. As we say, "my system doesn't suck" at this point. :-)

I'm glad you've gotten to experience the P-02/D-02 combination for yourself. There are many setting options that allow you to tailor the sound to your system, room and preferences. I'm really enjoying mine as well, and have for several years.

As far as my amps are concerned, I love 'em. I have been a "tube" guy for about 10 years now and it is the sound I prefer. I've had very good luck with the VAC gear over the years and the company is a pleasure to work with. Everything is built to extremely high standards and they last for many years. Once I heard the "VAC sound", I was hooked and still am. All the good things you read about VAC are very true. I know a number of people across the world who won't use anything BUT VAC, regardless of system level. The biggest surprise I had early on, in addition to the incredible midrange, is how fast, deep and tight the bass is. Outperforms many very good solid-state amps. Kevin told me this many years ago and of course I didn't believe him. Turns out he was 1000% correct.

In addition, there is great synergy between VAC and Esoteric products - they are frequently the digital source for VAC show displays like CES, RMAF, etc.

Depending upon your power needs, I would either look at monos or maybe the 160i integrated with the SE upgrade. The 160SE is probably the best bang for the buck currently in the VAC lineup, especially if you spin vinyl.

You have a very nice system and some VAC gear will make it that much better, in my opinion. Good luck and let me know what you decide.

fplanner2000 February 07, 2015 19:55

Finally got my system to the point where I easily get immersed in the great soundstage it creates. From the most delicate passages to the loudest crescendos, the presentation is as true to the source as any I've ever experienced. Several key parts of the system are still breaking in, so every day it gets a little better sounding than the day before. This is obviously very subjective on my part, which is FINE, considering I'm the person that has to go through the torture of listening to it.... :-).

fplanner2000 February 05, 2015 04:45

System edited: pics added

fplanner2000 January 03, 2015 19:34

Thanks Larry - I love them!! Will be posting some pics of my updated room as soon as I get the chance with new Critical Mass pieces, etc.

fplanner2000 December 30, 2014 14:17

TV is now mounted on the back wall instead of parallel with the speakers. Depth and width of the sound-stage have improved significantly. Speakers also now disappear in my room, which I had hoped might happen. Maxxum rack and amp stands to be installed next week. (end of my x-mas presents)

fplanner2000 December 26, 2014 23:47

Hi Mark - Thanks on the speakers. I have yet to find something they don't excel at. I never did put my clock back into the system, instead clocking the P-02 to the D-02 as you mention.

I am going to be re-arranging my system to accommodate a new Critical Mass rack as well as amp stands within the next several weeks (hopefully if they're ready), so I may reconsider after that point.

If you are not already using it, I highly recommend the Esoteric system tune-up disc. I try to use it every 20-25 hours or so and it works well in my system.

Don't see how you can go wrong with the P-02/D-02, especially at the discounted prices I've seen. Don;t know about the new 01 series - it was done with crossover ownership of Esoteric.

fplanner2000 December 08, 2014 23:47

Just played some of my favorite music on my new system for the first time : Mannheim Steamroller Fresh Aire 5, tracks 2, 4, and 6. Loud.

wow. Startlingly realistic. Windows still safe. barely. :-)

fplanner2000 November 18, 2014 16:06

Thanks again Lloyd. As always, I greatly appreciate your comments.

fplanner2000 November 17, 2014 04:39

Thanks Lloyd. I'm resisting the urge to toy with these speakers too much for fear of throwing something out of balance. Like yours, it took a while to get them where I like them, and I am pretty content for now to just wait to get the rack installed and the TV put on the wall. Both those moves should have a pretty big effect on my sound, hopefully in a positive way. At that point, I'm sure we will retune the Focals and see where I'm at.
I decided to go with the less expensive PCs for now as I like their mid and high presentation better - more musical and natural. I also clicked the EMs up a notch to make up for a very slight loss of bass. Its amazing how adjustable these speakers are

fplanner2000 November 16, 2014 17:19

Thanks Lloyd. I have been experimenting with different cables as well. I have settled on High Fidelity Ultra Reference single ended speaker cables using Focal's jumpers as well as Purist Audio custom connector cables to hook the EM modules to the Speakers. Albert Porter was my source for the Purist Audio. In addition, I am experimenting with Power Cords to the EM module, varying between HiDiamond P-3 and P-4. I currently have 1 on each, trying to compare....
Interestingly, Albert lent me a pair of very expensive power cables, but they didn't improve the sound from the P-4's,which were 1/5 the price. They in turn are 4x more expensive than the P-3's, which so far actually sound the best to me. Its a moving target, however, requiring a whole lot more listening. :-)

I own enough Ultra 5's for the Focals, but since they are on carpet covered concrete, my Master Set installer felt they were unnecessary. In addition, the speakers are tall enough without adding an extra few inches. :-)

fplanner2000 November 15, 2014 22:33

Racks are coming together. Due to be installed around 12/12. TV to be motorized off a wall-mount a few days before, if all goes to plan. System just keeps sounding better every day. :-)

fplanner2000 November 15, 2014 05:07

Thanks Larry. Your system is very nice as well. Cool turntable - never seen one quite like yours before.

fplanner2000 November 03, 2014 13:54

Per Albert Porter, upgraded power cords to Focal EM Modules from stock = more body, better dynamics. Upgraded balanced connections from EM Modules to the speakers with a specially designed Purist Audio cable for that purpose = vocal and instrumental clarity increased, soundstage broadened and deepened, imaging improved. Thanks Albert!

The speakers aren't broken in to my system quite yet, but are getting there. I'm definitely enjoying playing them for friends as well as discovering various little "tweaks" from folks like Albert that increase system performance noticeably. Still very glad I was able to get these speakers - hearing new things from old recordings every day that make me go "wow". :-)

fplanner2000 November 02, 2014 19:29

Sold my VAC Signature preamp here on Audiogon for full asking price today. Lucky purchaser will be getting one hell of a preamp, with phono stage.

fplanner2000 October 16, 2014 22:33

Ordered a Critical Mass Maxxum racking system from Joe Lavrencik this weekend at RMAF. Joe and his wife came over Sunday to take measurements. This system is more costly than I thought it would be, but is an important piece in finishing off my system. Apparently it will make a big difference in noise floor and system performance. I guess we'll see, although I've never heard of anyone being unsatisfied with their Critical Mass racking.

My 12 year old Billy Bags racks were purchased when I was just getting started in Audio - they no longer the best fit for my system and will be sold or donated.

fplanner2000 October 13, 2014 22:57

Thanks Larry! Yours as well.

fplanner2000 October 03, 2014 14:20

Thanks Dev. Won't get to the pics until after RMAF, I'm afraid. As far as the Ultra 5's, I will obviously experiment and see what I like best. I am on carpet over concrete, so we'll see. Its hard for me to imagine the sound getting much better; seems like either way I will be OK. :-)

fplanner2000 September 30, 2014 13:59

Thanks. I feel like a little kid again!

fplanner2000 September 29, 2014 13:07

System edited: Better pics coming when I have the time. Also of the new Statement Linestage

fplanner2000 September 29, 2014 04:17

System edited: The Focal Grande Utopia EM's enter my system. WOW.

fplanner2000 September 29, 2014 04:08

Hi Dev-

Thanks. The Focals are truly impressive.

I'm not going to attach the Ultra 5's until I get the speakers tuned and properly positioned in my listening room. Hopefully that will happen within the next several weeks.

I had very good results using the 5's between modules of my prior speakers - not sure how well they will work on carpet, but you know I'll try them... :-)

fplanner2000 September 29, 2014 03:35

After several hours of wrestling with the Focals by the Pilot delivery people and several unsuspecting friends, we managed to get them into the system and placed into reasonable positions. With all settings flat - WOW!!

They already sound remarkable with no tuning to the room whatsoever - I plan to have a Master Set done to them hopefully this coming week. Again, WOW.

It looks like 2 pair of these will also be exhibited at the upcoming RMAF in adjoining Mezzanine suites. Well worth the listen, from my experience.

I have to say that the brain damage of the transport from Europe, although pretty frustrating at times, is pretty easily forgotten when I hear what these speakers are doing, cold and un-tuned to my room. They are a bit large, but I'm already getting used to them. All I have to do is close my eyes. :-)

There is definitely a strong temptation to crank these, as they really seem to revel in more power. One of the things I like best about them is that lowering the volume does NOT lower the dynamics, but just the volume (so you don't LOSE ANYTHING), unlike the majority of the other speakers I've either owned or heard.

Admission: GUILTY of cranking Daft Punk's Random Access Memories and Hiroshima's LA so far. I couldn't help it. More than once...... :-)

All that's left is to install a pair of CCA Telefunkens into my new preamp at some point. For now, I am REALLY enjoying the music. More so than I ever dreamed I could or would.

fplanner2000 September 28, 2014 03:14

Will do.

fplanner2000 September 19, 2014 22:42

Thanks Lloyd. I may be looking as soon as next week! Realistically, no later than the week after, assuming all goes smoothly.

fplanner2000 September 16, 2014 12:31

Easy guys - this is not a debate, nor a pissing contest. Its just my thread about my experiences with the different gear I have had in my system through the years. We are all friends here - let's please keep it that way.

I have related my early impressions of my new Statement Line Stage above. The more time I put on, the better it sounds as it gradually breaks into my system. VAC makes and always has made great gear, in my opinion, with their latest Line Stage being a big jump from the prior Sig2, to my ears so far.

fplanner2000 September 16, 2014 03:19

That's kinda what I'm hoping.. :-)

fplanner2000 September 14, 2014 00:07

So far, there is "more of everything". More top end air and mid-range presence. The bass is most surprising - tighter and faster, while at the same time seemingly deeper and fuller. I know this is greatly overused, but the music seems clearer, as though a veil has been removed. I've got about 20 hours on it and am using the same upgraded Seimens 7308's I used in the Sig.

I also found a pair of rare and pricey CCA Telefunkens to try after some more hours. They are supposed to be amazing - we'll see. I can't think of a better preamp to try them out in.. :-)

These are obviously only very early impressions. Kevin was right - even through the VSA FS1's given to me by AVS, there is still a pretty obvious difference.

fplanner2000 September 13, 2014 15:24

Thanks. When the big Focals arrive in a few weeks, I may never leave my living room!!

You have a very nice system as well - looks like the Lamms and Meitner took you to a whole new level. Congrats!

fplanner2000 September 08, 2014 04:20

I appreciate your comments and you both got it pretty right - definitely the right speakers at the right price. I had heard the Focals locally and my jaw dropped. Tremendous presence, articulation, power and finesse, regardless of the volume level. I was most impressed by their performance at low volume levels - nothing dropped out!! In addition, they are infinitely adjustable both physically as well as with crossover and bass adjustments. In addition to what I physically heard, 2 good friends also highly recommended them to me, including one with very similar equipment to mine. The imaging was also better than any other speakers I have ever heard. Again, this is to my ears.

I heard Rockports locally (the ALtairs) and they were OK to my ears, but not really special. The system I heard them in was lower powered, so I'm sure that had a bearing on the result. I didn't hear the Arrakis, but really had no desire to after talking with Andy. A nice guy, but we are on different pages...

I really prefer not to go thru the pros and cons of the big Wilsons, Martens, Magicos and several other SOTA speakers I heard and considered - all are very good speakers.

The combination of what I heard of the Focals plus the situation I found myself in made my decision pretty much of a no-brainer. An "opportunistic buy" to say the least. :-)

AVS should have returned my money for the 9's, but didn't. Instead somebody will get a great deal on them, factory sealed, with a 20 year factory warranty, gorgeous Lexus champagne finish and a ridiculously low price for a $100K+ pair of speakers. STILL AVAILABLE.

fplanner2000 September 05, 2014 23:55

Thanks Lloyd!! I will hopefully have the full system somewhat broken in by RMAF in October. I live about 15 minutes from the venue, so will be able to arrange listening sessions for those interested, within reason, of course.. :-)

fplanner2000 September 04, 2014 04:19

Yes, it has landed. No, it has not yet been installed - probably this weekend. Current speakers are nowhere near as good as the system, but Kevin assures me that I will still hear a difference for the better, even with the lesser VSA speakers.

Focals should be here in about 3 weeks if all goes according to plan, or maybe a bit sooner. THAT I'm REALLY looking forward to!!

fplanner2000 September 03, 2014 22:49

Correction: Focal Grand Utopia EM's

fplanner2000 August 16, 2014 20:44

Speakers I currently have are prototype VSA piano speakers AVS gave me. Also still have brand new VSA VR-9SE mk2 in crates in my garage awaiting a sale, which hopefully is pretty imminent. If not, I may just keep and use them (not a bad 2nd choice, right?).

My preference is to sell the 9's ASAP and use those proceeds to help with final payment on the Focal Utopia EM's that have my name on them in Europe. Hopefully this can all be done by the end of next month. I continue to remain optimistic, especially since VSA keeps bragging on their circle about how terribly busy they are..... :-)

fplanner2000 August 16, 2014 15:49

It looks like my VAC Statement Line Stage has been completed, so it should be arriving within a few weeks.

VSA speakers (above) should be sold pretty soon as well. :-)

fplanner2000 August 14, 2014 03:09

PRICE REDUCED TO ONLY $54,900.

**BELOW WHOLESALE AND $45K BELOW RETAIL.

THIS IS A STEAL FOR BRAND NEW, NEVER UN-CRATED, LATEST VERSION VR-9SE MKII W/LEXUS PAINT AND 20 YEAR WARRANTY.

PM ME IF INTERESTED!

fplanner2000 August 07, 2014 17:17

You are probably right, Joe. I wouldn't be a bit surprised. That's part of what is so cool about this hobby. :-)

fplanner2000 July 09, 2014 21:27

9's should sell pretty quickly. I've had interest - trigger just hasn't been pulled yet.

fplanner2000 July 09, 2014 12:06

Hi Mark. Hopefully I'll have VAC Statement Preamp sometime this month. Definitely looking forward to it.
As far as the EA products, I believe they are derivative from VSA, where Malmgren used to work. I have never heard the 7's and at this point, really have no desire to at all.

My next speakers will be the Focal Grand Utopia EM's. Part of the reason I also was cautious about revealing my plans was because I really am not at all interested in getting any speaker, or "you should hear this..." advice, no matter how well intentioned, which I'm sure your suggestion is. So while I appreciate your input, my mind is already made up. I have heard the Focals locally and they are exactly what I want to try next in my system.

At the speaker level we are talking about here, there is no real "better" or "worse", just "different" and whatever subjectively works for each of us will be what we favor.

fplanner2000 July 09, 2014 03:41

Thanks Lloyd. I was impressed as well and to actually be able to get a pair, even used, was too good an opportunity to pass up. I think most people who have really heard them would also agree. Even though I like VSA speakers, this seems to be a once in a lifetime opportunity to acquire a pair of legitimately world-class speakers without having to sell body parts or my house. I only have to sell my 9's, which remain factory sealed in my garage, waiting for their new owner. :-)

fplanner2000 July 07, 2014 03:30

Hi Mark-
I was trying to keep this kind of quiet because I didn't want to piss off AVS, but since he's already pissed off and claims he is no longer my friend, I no longer feel constrained. I fell into a pair of black Focal Grand Utopia EM's currently located in Europe. They were jaw-dropping when I heard a pair here and I will have the same person set them up once they arrive. IMO, when properly set up, the best speakers I have ever heard.

They are at a completely different level than the VSA's, (which are quite good) as they should be for the price difference!! I am getting a deal on a gently used pair from a friend. 9's must go first, however, to make this work.

I still really like the P02/D02 combination with no plans to change them out. I use a separate VAC preamp which will be upgraded in several weeks to the VAC Statement Line Stage. I wish the Esoteric pieces WERE that color - unfortunately its just me not lighting the shot properly.
I think there is an audible difference between the p/02 and p-03 combinations; it is just a question of whether it is something you are willing to pay for. I think a used D/02 might integrate into what you have nicely. Just my $.02
Good Luck. :-)

fplanner2000 July 06, 2014 18:33

The VSA's are brand new and factory sealed. They took much longer to finish than I was promised and during that time I was offered the opportunity to acquire a "dream speaker" of mine for a very reasonable (relatively, of course) price. I had heard them locally and when the chance to actually get a pair became available, I jumped.

This is by no means a slam against the 9's, which are probably the best all-around speakers VSA makes. They are very, very good. I am selling them for basically dealer's cost and they come with a 20 year factory warranty. It is just time for a change for me. Thanks for asking.

fplanner2000 July 06, 2014 03:18

***** SPEAKERS STILL AVAILABLE *****

fplanner2000 June 29, 2014 13:35

System edited: New VR-9 Mk2 speakers still for sale. Custom finish and build. Price reduced to $64,990. Over $35K below retail plus no tax. Available NOW!!

fplanner2000 June 18, 2014 04:54

System edited: 20 YEAR FACTORY WARRANTY INCLUDED WITH SPEAKERS

fplanner2000 June 06, 2014 04:20

My Brand new, Factory-sealed VR-9 Mk2's are now for sale on Audiogon, if anyone is interested.

fplanner2000 May 30, 2014 08:30

FYI - to clarify, the VR-9 SE Mk2's I'll be selling are brand new, never opened by anyone, including me, fresh from the factory, with full warranty. They will have built-in upgraded Channel Island Class D subwoofer amps(a VR-9 first) as well as Custom Lexus Metallic Champagne lacquer and finish. They are gorgeous. Please contact me if interested.

fplanner2000 May 27, 2014 13:51

Thanks Lloyd. They are the best speakers I have ever heard, by far, and I am very fortunate to be able to have a shot at them. Although used, they have been very well taken care of by someone I trust and they are the current model. They are in the category of "super-speakers" that I never thought I would be able to own.

In order to pull this off, I will be selling my VSA VR-9se custom-upgraded and painted MK2's immediately. They will be factory sealed with full warranty and I will hopefully get them within the next 10 days, unless they are sold in California first. They are obviously great speakers as well.

fplanner2000 May 25, 2014 13:17

Thanks. Timing really IS everything!!

fplanner2000 May 24, 2014 00:03

System edited: At this point another World-class speaker has caught my eye/ear and I should have an opportunity to acquire them at a price that is simply too good to pass up. Should know more soon.

fplanner2000 May 23, 2014 14:57

System edited: Just put up more early speaker pictures. Although they look like different shades due to the sight angles, I have been assured the appearance is quite uniform. We found a few paint irregularities, so it looks like they will be going back to the shop in CT post haste.

fplanner2000 March 29, 2014 17:24

The P-02/D-02 sound even better than they look - very pleased with them. Have exceeded my expectations.

No clue when the speakers will arrive. I originally thought in a few weeks, but it looks like it may be longer. They are being carefully hand-built and there are a lot of different parts required. The crossovers alone probably take 3 days, from what I can tell. I'm not there, obviously, but should be getting pics of the build shortly (I hope).

fplanner2000 March 28, 2014 16:41

System edited: First look at the custom paint job on the VR-9SE Mk 2's as the crossovers are being built. Tons of internal bracing, 2" thick walls which will get additional treatment before completion.

fplanner2000 March 25, 2014 23:34

Don't need the workout!! Actually scheduled for white glove delivery via Pilot Air, plus I think Albert and Leif plan to be there as well to help set the speakers up to my room. At least that's the latest I've heard....

fplanner2000 March 16, 2014 20:12

Thanks Jeff - I really appreciate your kind words.

With a little luck the cabinets will finally get to VSA from east coast paint and fabrication by the end of the week. I'm very curious how the paint job came out with the custom Lexus metallic champagne paint. Hopefully I'll get a pic or 2, which I will probably put up here.

I'm also a bit surprised by their weight - apx 250 lbs each, EMPTY! That's without anything in them. Adding all the drivers, subs, wiring, crossovers and extra sound deadening materials, etc. will probably make them even heavier than my 7's! Makes me REALLY glad these speakers have wheels.... :-)

fplanner2000 March 16, 2014 03:23

Shipping delay - everything pushed back to end of week. GRRrrrr....

fplanner2000 March 13, 2014 19:40

Sounds like my 9's will be getting crossovers, drivers, etc. next week. It starting to get REAL!!

fplanner2000 March 11, 2014 23:25

Thanks Lloyd - I appreciate your good wishes. Trying not to count the days..... :-)

fplanner2000 March 06, 2014 05:07

Speakers finally sold. Got less than I wanted for them, but seem to be going to a good home, so I can't be too disappointed. They leave tomorrow for the packer/craters, then Cali.

New speakers probably 3 weeks away, +/-

fplanner2000 March 05, 2014 04:47

Hi Lloyd-
I bought these direct from the manufacturer with no dealer involvement whatsoever. Same for the purchase of the 9's. Albert VS is actively helping me try to sell the 7's and it looks like we might be close with a couple of purchasers that have contacted them. I'll probably know more in a few days....stay tuned... :-)

Right now they are priced below the cost to MAKE THEM!!

fplanner2000 February 28, 2014 23:06

SPeakers still for sale, at only $25,750. which is a TOTAL STEAL.

Turns out Esoteric passes a greater amount of signal, by FAR, through its xlr connections than through its digital rca connections. Consequently, I was not really able to use Rick's rca digital cable, since it wasn't a fair comparison with the xlrs, which sounded way better, as I expected they would.

fplanner2000 February 28, 2014 00:50

Just added High Fidelity digital Ultimate Reference between my P-02 and D-02, connected through rca's. This was the only non-HF ic connection in my system. As such, it should break-in very quickly and within a week I'm interested to see how much better, if any, they end up being than my excellent Wireworld Gold 6 XLR cables. After 4 hours, they are already opening up nicely, although not yet to the Wireworld level.

VSA 7SE Mk2's remain for sale, as interest in them is finally picking up... :-) Had a great listening session last weekend which once again gave me second thoughts about selling them. I decided to put the 9's on hold until I sell what I have - seems like the prudent move.

fplanner2000 February 23, 2014 06:23

If "the plan" works, I'll have the 9's for several months with my current Sig preamp before the upgrade to Statement level.

Dev - your Statement dealer issue is with Kevin, not me, Mark or anyone else. Please keep your personal rants off my system thread. Thanks.

fplanner2000 February 04, 2014 16:23

Hi Guys -
This discussion is good - actually learning a few tings. :-)
I know some of the new Statement Preamps HAVE already been shipped. I also think they are available for audition in VAC dealers that have been authorized to sell Statement level VAC gear. So you DON"T have to place an order to hear one.

When I talked to Kevin about the new preamp, he told me I would hear a greater improvement than when I went from 300.1 amps to the 450's (which was a major improvement). That is saying quite a bit. I will know more later this spring when I get mine.

The one time I heard it in an all Statement system with my Esoteric front end was running through Tannoy speakers which I really didn't like at RMAF. The entire presentation was totally un-inspiring and I know that was the lame speakers. I can only presume that the speakers really make a hell of a difference in that the sound wasn't choked at all at CES; quite the contrary from what I understand as the Grand Utopia EMs really let the VAC gear sing. As in several best-in-show nominations. Same gear as RMAF except speakers.

Makes me glad I chose to upgrade to the VSA VR-9SE Mk2's prior to doing the preamp upgrade. Not that my 7's are constricting in any manner - they are definitely not. I'm confident I will get much better all-around sound from the new speakers, as the 450's will no longer be responsible for the deep bass, the crossovers and drivers are different, and there are a number of other improvements as befitting a $100K+ pair of VSA speakers. Plus, they are pained a custom Lexus metallic champagne color, which will of course also make them sound better... :-) I heard they are gorgeous, but haven't seen them yet.

fplanner2000 February 03, 2014 04:44

Mark-
I totally agree with the Tannoy assessment - it was very average, at best, and totally wasted the caliber of the VAC gear that was there. I couldn't make CES this year, but heard the VAC room was amazing, which is what I expected. Those Focals are pretty revealing of what's behind them. Unfortunately, they are too big for both my room and my audio budget... :-)

The quicker I can sell my VR7SE Mk2's, the quicker I can get the upgraded 9's to replace them. Once they settle in, it will be time to look at the VAC Statement preamp. At that point, I should be "done" for a while.

Thanks for your comments. :-)

Harve

fplanner2000 January 28, 2014 05:19

So I've heard. I've got an order and a deposit in. Priority right now is selling my VR7SE Mk2's so that I have room for the VR9SE Mk2's which are almost ready. Please pass the info along if you get the chance - the ad is on Audiogon and price has just been dropped through the floor.. :-)

Thanks.

fplanner2000 January 27, 2014 23:06

Price reduced for final time

fplanner2000 January 27, 2014 17:27

Need to sell VR-7se MK2's QUICKLY!! They will come with a 10 year FACTORY WARRANTY from VSA. 9's are ready early, so 7's need to move. Mk2 upgrade last year ($15K) included:

27 new Bypass caps on the crossovers;
Over 160 feet of new SOTA Delphi internal single strand copper wiring;and
New midrange drivers tweaked to match the new crossovers.

Speakers now sound much closer to 9's than 7's! Great deal won't last long!!!

fplanner2000 January 25, 2014 01:10

Thanks Lloyd.

fplanner2000 December 14, 2013 20:57

Looks like VSA VR-9SE Mk2's will be replacing my 7's sometime in the first quarter of 2014. They seems to be the most practical "upgrade" since I already like the VSA sound. I also have the opportunity to pick the color, as these are being custom built. I chose a metallic champagne color from an auto line, which should be a nice change from the Steinway black lacquer of my VR-7 SE Mk2's. (They will be available for sale sometime in January, unless they get pre-sold this month.)

fplanner2000 December 14, 2013 05:18

Got to hear Rockport ALtairs this am in a solid state system. The speakers were gorgeous and the sound was a bit better than I expected. I think they would probably give my highly modified VR-7s a run for the money, but they were by no means clearly better. At $100K retail and no real discounts to speak of, its way too expensive an experiment. At some point down the line I may pick up a used pair if I can make the numbers work...

fplanner2000 November 10, 2013 03:49

In a moment of weakness/insanity, I got set up for CES. I'm going to be interested in SOTA speakers I haven't yet heard as well as starting to learn more about music servers and computer audio. Not sure if I'll be able to get away, but at least everything is set to go if I can and want to in January.

fplanner2000 November 02, 2013 14:04

Hi Jeff-
I don't expect the Statement Line Stage for at least 4 more weeks. I heard it with the rest of the Statement pieces at the RMAF a few weeks ago, but couldn't really pick out what was doing what, since they were using unfamiliar speakers. I do know that my room at home sounded lots better, which I would expect with better cabling, cleaner power, etc.

Kevin is assuring me that the sound I currently have will get even better with the Statement Line Stage. Not sure how that will be possible, but at least I'm open-minded. I should know pretty soon. I figure worst case it will be at least as good as what I have now, which is quite good, or it could be ridiculously phenomenal, in which case I will never leave my house... :-)

As far as CES is concerned, I'm leaning against making the trip this year. It just seems to become more of a PITA every year, and it certainly never gets any LESS expensive. There is also nothing I really want to hear that I didn't already hear at RMAF. the handful of speakers I might be interested in hearing probably won't be at CES, or if they are, I would have to search them out paired with other manufacturers. I've always liked the RMAF show betteer and this continues to be the case.

fplanner2000 October 31, 2013 18:34

Dev- Mine was WOW because I had never heard my 450's at 100% before. When combined with the auto-bias and the various other mods to my speakers, etc., as well as the break-in of my SOTA cabling, I now have WOW!!

fplanner2000 October 24, 2013 19:35

Good. :-)

fplanner2000 October 23, 2013 16:28

Dev-
As you undoubtedly realize, I have no control over production at VAC. :-) The Statement preamps will be ready when they are. I'm not too concerned, since I've got a Ren Sig w/phono in the meantime. You shouldn't be too concerned either.. :-) Kevin's gear has historically been well worth waiting for until he's got it perfect, as you know.

fplanner2000 October 22, 2013 14:47

The new auto-biasing feature VAC has come up with is different than what has gone before. It is completely transparent. More info can be found in the blog section of VAC's website: http://vac-amps.com/vacBlog/2013/01/01/the-vac-iq-intelligent-continuous-automatic-bias-system/

As far as the sonics are concerned, it turned out I had some input tube incompatibility that was hurting the sound. Once that was fixed, everything got better. :-)

fplanner2000 October 21, 2013 14:57

Hi Dev-
One of the reasons I sent my amps back to Kevin was that I didn't think they sounded the way they should. Turned out that I was correct and that a few things that Kevin thought would clear up via break-in never came around. What I got back was 100% performance plus the auto-bias.

With all due respect, I doubt that Ralph or Ken are talking about the circuitry Kevin has come up with - it is nowhere near as simple as you try to make it out to be, nor is it for lazy people. (I am a lot of things, but lazy isn't one of them). As I understand it, the complex circuitry keeps the tubes perfectly biased at all times, within a very narrow range, so that the amps sound their very best, at all times. It does this with all the KT-88's simultaneously. Who wouldn't want that? The answer is that EVERYONE would want that, if they could get it. Well, I got it and it makes the amps sound great all the time. As far as I know, VAC is the only manufacturer to currently offer this feature, and only in its Statement amps.

So, to answer your question of WOW! - amps now running the way they are supposed to, kept perfectly biased at all times, EQUALS much better sound for me. They are now fully able to take advantage of all the various modifications to speakers, etc I made over the past 10 months seeking better sound! :-)

fplanner2000 October 20, 2013 19:34

Just got my Amps back from VAC in Florida last Thursday and managed to get them installed before the RMAF, barely.

Kevin and Brent once again performed magic, as both amps now have the onrush circuit protection as well as the auto-bias circuitry built into them, while still maintaining my ability to use fixed or variable settings, as well as individual gain controls on each amp.

So how do they sound? Much, much better than before. If there are better amps than these anywhere, I have yet to hear them. I have more bass, treble extension and even better imaging, width and depth than I ever had before. There is musicality in spades, but also more detail as Rick's Hi Fidelity cables are finally starting to really open up.

As a matter of fact, Rick and his lovely wife came over during the show and heard my system COLD. They probably would have stayed all afternoon just listening to music, but we were all hungry so had to leave for food. I'm pretty sure they both really liked what they heard - I know I DID AND THE SYSTEM WAS COLD!! BEFORE LAST THURSDAY, IT HADN'T BEEN PLAYED FOR 2.5 MONTHS!!

I'm sure it will take at least another 50 hours or so for my system to settle in again and there is still break-in happening with the Esoteric front end as well as with Rick's cables. The point is, my system now sounds much better COLD than it ever has warmed up! After warmup (40 minutes or so), you just get drawn into the music like never before. Its quite intoxicating - I find myself listening for HOURS, when I just wanted to hear a particular song. A definitely "fun" problem to have. The system is now literally getting noticeably better every time I turn it on. WOW! I probably wouldn't believe it if I wasn't hearing it. I know Rick heard it too. FINALLY!! :-)

fplanner2000 October 17, 2013 04:05

Thank you for the kind words.

The reason I like the PS Audio P-10 better than the Audience is because the P-10 also re-generates a perfect, steady and accurate current, regardless of the power fluctuations that might be present in my house. This is especially handy when there are other large electrical drains in my area or my house.

The Hi Diamond power are probably the best bang for the buck investment you can make to a smaller system. The P-3's are definitely worth trying and are very well-priced for the performance they give. You really can't go wrong with either of the above. Good luck.

fplanner2000 October 17, 2013 03:37

System edited: Amps hopefully back from Fla before RMAF... :-) Getting SOTA tweakage and tuneup.

fplanner2000 September 22, 2013 23:06

Thanks Lloyd - the "fun" level just keeps going up!!

fplanner2000 July 21, 2013 20:00

I plan to put my Esoteric Rubidium clock into the system this weekend and will also be running speaker cable from each of my amps to the speaker level input of my sub, after first making sure these inputs float the ground so as not to short anything out. This is mainly for movies, but will also be useful supplementation waiting for the bass to fully break-in with my High Fidelity speaker and IC cables. Apparently the double runs of Ultimates between my preamp and amps take twice as long to break in as single runs. The amps leave in a few weeks for a tuneup and minor repair so I can again run them single-ended.

I'll be using the new Wireworld Gold Starlight 7 75 ohm cables w/BNC connectors for the clocking. I have the 110 ohm AES/EBU version between the P-02 and D-02 - they are better than anything else I've tried there, including Mexcel. Only a matter of time before people find out about these cables, which so far have been flying under the radar.

fplanner2000 July 19, 2013 03:52

Added my Esoteric P-02/D-02 combination several days ago; clock synced the p-02 to the d-02 this morning.

The change was about as dramatic as I had expected - deeper, tighter bass, better extension and lots more detail coming through the system. I am also appreciating Rick's cables more as there is more detail that is being revealed than before.

Linking the clocking together gives the presentation more air and a bit more smoothness than without the clocking connected. Rumor has it break-in is at least 200 hrs per filter, so I can't wait to get more real time on this duo. So far, all CDs I'm playing sound more detailed, with greater extension and even more musicality. These Esoteric pieces are pretty impressive and the system synergy is great.

fplanner2000 July 14, 2013 02:07

Hi Jeff-
I just don't think its a priority for him, but he would know better.

fplanner2000 July 14, 2013 01:57

Rick created a "balanced-cable" workaround for me to solve a problem, as I described above. I don't think there are any balanced High Fidelity cables in production at this point yet. My system keeps sounding a little better every time I turn it on now, and sounds better than it did before the work-around.

I still have a bunch of break-in ahead on these work-around cables, which are actually 2 pair of single-ended HF Ultimates with Cardas adapters.YMMV.

fplanner2000 July 10, 2013 13:13

Hi Dev-
One of the switches on 1 of the amps has a dirty contact and is not making a proper single-ended connection. Your assumption is also incorrect re: Rick's ic's.

fplanner2000 July 06, 2013 00:05

On a hunch, Rick S. suggested I try his balanced cables between my preamp and amps, replacing a Hi Diamond XLR3, which I liked. We couldn't figure out why the Ultimate Reference speaker cables weren't performing as well as they should have been. His theory was that the XLR3 was "in the way" for lack of a better descriptor.

We created balanced cables out of 2 runs of Ultimates and after several reconfigurations, finally got everything set the way it was supposed to be.

After 20 minutes, I listened. WOW!! Not only was imaging and depth MUCH better, bass improved, speed improved and there were lots more details I wasn't aware of before. I now know what others with an all High Fidelity cabled system are raving about. I don't hear my system, but rather the musicians. I know of no better compliment.

fplanner2000 July 04, 2013 15:40

Sure - I don't have it yet - looking at September, last I heard. VAC is very busy right now.

fplanner2000 June 25, 2013 22:57

I never said there WAS an end cable, so don't understand your comment. I try what interests me. I'm also not worried in the least about upsetting "this new wire company." Its called professionalism. Also, at some point its time to back off the merry-go-round and appreciate the music. I am pretty much at that point already, and will be more so after installing the Esoteric combo and the new VAC Statement preamp.

Having said all this, you never know what the future might bring, so I have learned to never say "never". :-)

fplanner2000 June 25, 2013 15:15

James-
thanks for the kind words. Mine is the 4.0-Master. My rationale for the Esoteric is from a service/convenience standpoint. I know them, like their products and they are in Cali. I'm sure Alex's new 2 box is good, but something bothers me about gutting the 4.0M in order to "upgrade" where my source is in some foreign country.

I'm pretty sure the Esoteric duo will outperform the 4.0-M, at least from what I've read so far. I am waiting until I can get more breakin on my speaker cables and ics before I change out sources. I'll let you know when that happens.

fplanner2000 June 24, 2013 19:10

I am thankfully way past the "trying lots of different cables" portion of the audio cycle. What I find is that most are just tuning devices for a preferred sound or presentation. Over the past 5 years, I have probably tried a dozen different brands from low to high-end.

As my system has improved, I have come to appreciate "zero-tuning" more and more. In other words, let me hear the music as it was created. When Rick S. asked me to try his new cables, I agreed. They are very revealing and easy to listen to. They are still under evaluation.

I really don't want to throw other cable brands under the bus, as everyone has their favorites and there is no 1 correct answer, just what's right for YOU and YOUR system.

I occasionally try new and different cabling in my office system that catch my interest, but no longer have the need to constantly seek "the magic cable". I am now to the point of just listening to my systems for the great sounds they produce and relaxing into the music. I've been fortunate to be able to put together a couple of pretty good systems over the years and now look forward to just enjoying them.

fplanner2000 June 23, 2013 22:21

Hi Lloyd-
Thanks for the kind feedback. Each of my speakers consists of 2 "modules" - a mid/treble stacked on a bass unit. The Ultra 5's remain between the 2 modules to isolate them from each other, while the Track Audio footers are between the bass units and the floor, which is draining excess energy from the bass units to the floor(carpet over concrete).

Apparently the Ultra 5's will both couple and de-couple depending upon where you put them. I have heard a number of others use them as you have with excellent results.

One of the reasons I went with Track Audio for the footers is that they are adjustable, which has already come in handy during setup. I'll post some updated pics when I get some free time.

fplanner2000 June 20, 2013 12:27

Added Track Audio Isolation points to the speakers this weekend in "coupled" mode. In other words, I want all bass speaker resonances to drain to the floor. It took 3 of us, but after several hours we got it done.

Bass immediately got cleaner, tighter, and faster with the slight mudiness that had been slightly covering up the mids and tweets now gone. SO, mids and tweets now much better than when I first added the Stillpoints, and bass is just a pleasure to listen to. Marcus Miller just got a LOT better!!

I'm also breaking in new speaker cables - High Fidelity Ultimate Reference with Ultimate jumpers. Have about 250 hours on them as they are FINALLY starting to really open up nicely. I have so much more bass energy that I have turned my sub off - the 7's are loving this!! Isolating the m/t speaker box from the bass, and then coupling tha bass to the floor is allowing the cables to really "do their thing". I am at the point now where every day brings a new audio surprise or two.

One caution with High Fidelity cables - make absolutely sure that you get the current direction correct. Even being very careful, turned out I had reversed the polarity on 1 pair of Ultimate jumpers for 225 hours. I noticed the sound out of 1 speaker seemed a bit "off" as they finally started to open up. Sure enough, I had the jumpers backwards on that speaker. Another point is to be really patient with these cables. Depending upon your system, breakin can take quite a while. There is a light at the end of the tunnel,as I am slowly finding out. Resolution, speed and soundstage are now increasing every day, or so it seems. Already sounding better than any other speaker cables I've ever had, and they are at most, maybe 60% broken in.

fplanner2000 June 19, 2013 22:18

On a tip from AVS, I put 4 Stillpoint Ultra 5's between the upper and lower modules of my 7's, without touching the rubber feet.

Speakers totally transformed for the better. Amazing transformation - much better mids and highs - also tightened up the bass. Imaging much better, separation as well. It was enough of a major improvement that the 7's are no longer on the trading block - expensive, but a lot cheaper than new speakers in the range I was looking. :-)

Much more than a component upgrade and much less brain damage than finding and replacing 400lb speakers to work in my room.

fplanner2000 May 19, 2013 21:15

Esoteric P-02/D-02 arrived yesterday. Got them home today to start breaking them in. They are heavier and bulkier than I thought they would be, making me reconsider whether the best place for them is my top shelf, stacked. Such a setup pretty much rules out my clock as the 3rd stacked piece on that shelf. I might have to leave the clock out, although I hate to do that. I figure I've got about a month to figure something out, as the pieces break in outside my system.

fplanner2000 May 09, 2013 03:20

Jeff-
Nice system!

fplanner2000 May 07, 2013 14:57

Jwm-
Congrats on the Altairs. They have always been on my "short list".

fplanner2000 May 04, 2013 14:07

Although my APL NWO-M is an engineering masterpeice and sounds terrific, the Esoteric combo is a better fit for the direction I see myself heading in for the future. In addition, the transport in the P-02 is a big improvement over the one from the UX-1 that is used in my NWO-M, according to Esoteric.

fplanner2000 May 04, 2013 13:25

Hey Dev-
All I can say is that September is 9 months from last January, as far as the VAC piece is concerned. Audio months are much longer than normal months, as most audiophiles know, especially when you are waiting on gear.

I also learned a lot about digital recently, enough to see the advantages of Esoteric's relatively new P-02/D-02 combination in my system.

Another key piece will be Rick S.'s High Fidelity CT-1 Ultimate Reference speaker cables. If they do what I think they will, I may never leave my living room! :-)

fplanner2000 May 04, 2013 13:20

Its not that Kevin doesn't believe in KT120's - he just won't put them in his gear and has a pretty detailed explanation of why not on the VAC website, which makes sense to me, altho I'm in no way an engineer. :-)

My deposit and order are in - my ETA for the Statement preamp looks like September, but maybe a little sooner. I really like what I have, but think, along with Kevin, that the new Statement preamp should be a much better match for the Statement amps. At that point, amps and preamp are done.

Figured out a way to also pull off a front-end upgrade, so Esoteric P-02/D-02 will be here next week. I plan on breaking them in at least a month outside the system. It will be a substantial transport as well as DAC upgrade and when I add the rubidium clock that's in storage, front end should be done as well.

I realize I am incredibly fortunate to be able to get into this level of gear, finally. It has taken a while as well as a bunch of work, but if you can;t enjoy the fruits of your work, what's the point, right?

fplanner2000 May 03, 2013 14:30

Hi Bob-
I'm pretty sure there will be some decent gains with the sub cables for 2-channel, becoming even more apparent for movies. I know this since I have already used these cables to replace other SR cabling in my system. My biggest gains, hopefully, will come with the addition of the High Fidelity Ultimate Reference speaker cables.

It is interesting that you bring up this DSD discussion, since it was a similar discussion with my buddy Art that got me traveling along the digital front end upgrade path about a month ago in the first place.

I'm not ready to go to computer hard drives yet, so what makes the most sense to me for now is to try to upgrade my preamp to Statement level, if I can make it work. Esoteric will include this capability on its new P01/D-01 coming out this fall, as well as a retrofit in January for the P-02/D-02 to allow for DSD to be input.

On another subject - That PMR really WORKS!! It focuses the vocals and instruments, in effect "clearing them up", and in my case more than restores the excellent imaging I had before a big TV landed between my speakers. The best thing is that I have even better sound now than with the TV gone! The system also sounds more musical with the PMR in front of the TV at ear level, as I think certain harmonics may be subtly boosted as well. Its definitely worth at least a demo to see what it does for your system.

I expect the next several months to be pretty exciting as I start to hopefully integrate some or all of the above changes. I will report back as things progress.

fplanner2000 April 18, 2013 23:31

Hi Lloyd-
"great" for my system would be something like the new VAC Statement Line Stage, for example. There are several others I am aware of that are also allegedly "great" as well. My preference is VAC, but you never know..... :-)

fplanner2000 April 18, 2013 22:16

After considerable thought and input from others, the Esoteric purchase may be put on hold for a while. It makes more economic sense to upgrade my preamp from very good to great, if I can find "great", which I think I might have. I'll hopefully know within the next 2-3 weeks whether that is a doable path for me at this point or not.

I've also decided to upgrade my subwoofer ic cables from SR xlr Reference to High Diamond XLR3's. Using a pair to replace a pair, since coming out of L & R preamp outputs. The XLR3's already sound great between my preamp and amps, so I'm pretty optimistic they will be transformative for my subwoofer. I've put a High Diamond P-4 on the sub as well. Stay tuned for further developments.... :-)

fplanner2000 April 18, 2013 05:09

Contemplating a few changes over the next several months.

Upgrading my SR bi-wire APEX speaker cables and Galileo Speaker cells to Hi Fidelity either CT-1 Ultimate or CT-1 Ultimate Reference.

Upgrading my APL NWO-M to Esoteric P-02/D-02 combination, probably. My understanding is that Alex will no longer retain a US presence. I will probably break the Esoterics in over the next several months outside of my system and then compare with APL at that point. If APL loses, it will either replace my K-03 in my office system, or it will be sold. In the meantime, it will remain in my main system. It has been problem free and continues to make incredible music, so there's not really a downside here, I don't think.

fplanner2000 April 15, 2013 14:34

I have now had the CT-1 Ultimate ics for about a month between my CD player and preamp. The transparency and realism is amazing. They are apparently just starting to seriously break in at about 200 hours. I am hearing both a wider and deeper soundstage as well as more details than with the Enhanced version CT-1. Bass has tightened up and gotten quicker. There is an increased "ease" to the music that wasn't quite there before, as the noise floor has gotten noticeably lower. Separation/imaging,especially between voices, has also improved. I am also starting to catch low-level details I have not heard before, especially environmental cues - chairs and microphones moving, etc.

There is definitely a "WOW" factor present with these cables, at least in my system. When I add in the PMR, the imaging gets even better and the dogs start looking around for the musicians/singers. I haven't seen that before... :-)

fplanner2000 March 17, 2013 17:10

System edited: I just added this PMR Premium #2 to my system. Jerry from Audio Magic brought it over and after 1/2 hour of listening, it was staying. A bit of background - for the past several months I have been exploring various potential wall mounting solutions to having my 70" TV between my speakers. After many hours, nothing really fit what I wanted or was anywhere near cost -effective. So, I was stuck, or so I thought. I bounced my dilemna off my buddy Rick (Schultz) who suggested I take a look at the PMR device, which he had heard and had been impressed with. I read up on it and all the glowing industry reviews. Alfred directed me to Jerry, who actually lives a few minutes from me. The changes we heard with the PMR on a stool in front of my TV were not subtle. The imaging and resolution immediately improved, especially voices. The separation I thought I was losing due to the TV compromise is now a thing of the past. I am getting much better performance out of my system than I would get with the TV gone, and the TV is still there!! It has become another win-win for me. I highly recommend at least trying this product in your system - it made more of a difference than expected just hastily set up on a stool - when I take the time to explore other placement options, I'm pretty sure I will come up with an even more effective and aesthetically pleasing placement.

fplanner2000 March 02, 2013 18:15

System edited: HD 3 xlr is KILLING the cables they replaced - SR's Prec Ref, in every category. Prec Ref has thousands of hours on them; the 3 xlrs have ONLY 15 HOURS ON THEM!!

fplanner2000 January 29, 2013 19:50

I ran a simple experiment this am. With the help of a friend, we moved the 70" TV into another room. It had been between the speakers on a platform table. Immediately my soundstage gained width, depth and imaging improved significantly. That is what I was hoping for. I will now find a Cedia registered installer to mount my TV on the wall with articulating arms so that it can be in its prior position when being watched. When listening to just music, I want to be able to move it to the wall. I could probably do the installation, but hiring a pro here makes more sense.

After the first experiment, I replaced my 4m SR Precision ref xlr ics between my preamp and the monos with Hi Diamond XLR 3 cables. Over the course of about an hour, we heard the cables start out crappy and gradually improve in different areas. At the end of the hour, the Hi Diamonds sounded almost as good at the SR cables, and better already in some areas like a more balanced presentation and a wider soundstage. The best thing I can say is that they just get out of the way and let the music come through as intended. The SRs have literally THOUSANDS OF HOURS ON THEM. I'm pretty sure they will be for sale next week as the Hi Diamonds continue to improve. We heard such a dramatic change just within the first hour that I am running the system overnite to see what I get in the morning (besides a warm living room from all the tubes..:-).)

As I have continued to remove the SR "tuning cables", my system just keeps sounding better and better. Most of the SR is now gone, along with a large portion of the wall-wart mess behind my gear. The system is much quieter and more resolving than it has ever been due to the changes I've been making the past year or so. Very happy with the results so far.

BTW, cranked some YES afterwards very loudly, (because I CAN and that's the way they should be heard :-)) before we put the TV back, and there were no dynamics limitations whatsoever. It sounded better than live due to no distortion. The PS Audio P-10s are real keepers in my system.

fplanner2000 January 27, 2013 05:12

Looks like I'll not be "trading up" anytime soon...
That's OK - my VAC gear is barely broken in yet... :-)

fplanner2000 January 09, 2013 21:55

HNY to you as well!
I think these pieces are going to be a bit pricey and not sure how much audible difference this auto-biasing will generate, if any. Makes me glad I addressed system power noise and modulating current with my P-10s. How are they working in your system?

fplanner2000 January 05, 2013 22:55

Cyrus- I agree with Dev here - there is no reliable way to actually compare conditioner/regenerators, etc. since there are way too many variables that are different between our systems. For instance, cabling also plays a huge role in system silence. What I did measure was that I have .4% THD going into the p-10s from the wall, and .02% THD going from the p10s to my gear, at 120v constant. My system is noticeably quieter and hence more resolving. That makes me happy. Of course everyone has their own preference.

fplanner2000 December 30, 2012 14:31

K-
For now, I'm just going to catch my breath. I will not change my ics from CD to preamp - they are High Fidelity CT-1E and are fantastic in my system. Same with my SR Apex bi-wired spkr cables, complete with Galileo speaker cells - they are not moving. ALso won't be moving SR Prec Ref xlr from preamp to amps anytime soon. What I've found over the years is that different cable companies excel in different things. HiDiamond pcs outperform the SR pcs in my system, but that does not necessarily extend to any other types of cabling. I can always experiment later after all the power cords break in - right now they need at least another 3-400 hours.

Dev-
p-4s are about 1" thick for the main body, becoming about 3/4" thick about 8" from each end. Robert of Worldwide has compared the Stealth Dream to the P-3 pcs and said it wasn't even close, in favor of the HiDiamond. That's pretty much what I also experienced with the SR cords. You might want to give him a call. He's also in Canada. :-)

fplanner2000 December 23, 2012 19:26

This afternoon I added 4 HiDiamond P-4 power cords to my system, replacing a P-3 from wall to 1 amp, as well as 3 SR Hologram-As. The SR's were going from both PS Audio P-10s to my amps, which are now replaced by P-4s. The Cd player now has a P-4 from the P-10, replacing a P-3 which is now on my preamp, having replaced another Hologram-A. The 4th P-4 is from the wall to the other P-10, replacing a P-3 that was there. Fortunately the PS Audio and HiDiamond pieces work very well together.

Immediate results, cold, with no hours on these new p-4s: wider and deeper soundstage, lower noise level(so sounded a bit louder and more detailed) as well as deeper and more pronounced bass(so had to dial the sub down). We heard things on a CD deep into the soundstage that we had not heard before, literally. My system sounds better than it ever has. Its as though we went from feeding power to the system through garden hoses, to now using fire hoses with silencers. The SRs were good in my system, but the Hi Diamonds, especially the P-4s, already take things up a few notches, COLD. I can only imagine when these break in... :-)

fplanner2000 December 23, 2012 04:30

Dev- I'm sure your dealer could always get a Statement piece for you through an authorized VAC Statement dealer.

I also wasn't suggesting anybody was or wasn't reputable, but I do know that the larger dealers who do more VAC volume that I have talked to have no problem at all with the new policy. Its also a question of allocation of resources and Kevin's plan makes perfect sense to me.

fplanner2000 December 19, 2012 04:55

Dev-
You raise some interesting points - Limiting Statement sales to dealers who have made both the economic and training investment seems like a good thing to do. As a fellow Statement(s) owner I appreciate having access to an informed, well-versed dealer network should I need it. Not surprisingly, not all VAC dealers are willing to do this. That is their choice. It would seem that the more reputable dealers shouldn't have a problem with this at all.

As far as the new Statement pre-amp is concerned, I know Kevin has been noodling with this for the past 3 years. Unlike many other manufacturers, he doesn't bring out new pieces unless they are a dramatic improvement over what is currently in his line. Much like the Statement 450s were a large jump over the 300.1s, I would expect the same of a new Statement preamp over the existing Sig Mk2, which as you know is already world-class. Pricing is at best a guess - no numbers are firm at this point.

fplanner2000 December 18, 2012 23:18

Dev-
Sounds like the P-10s may work out for you. They are REALLY working well for me and protecting my system as well, which I am very happy about. Another thing you can easily do with the screen is monitor the THD going IN to the P-10 vs what comes out. The difference is audible, as the noise floor has been reduced. That to me is also pretty astonishing, in addition to steady power.

Combined with the gradual break-in of the HiDiamond P-4 and p-3 pcs, my system sounds a little better each time I turn it on. At this point,it is also the P-10s breaking in. All positive - hope your experience is the same. :-)

It also looks like Kevin may have some new Statement pieces unveiled at CES this year. My schedule is finally lightening up a bit so that I will probably be able to be there.

fplanner2000 December 16, 2012 22:59

Looks like I will have HiDiamond P-4 pcs from wall to P-10s and P-10s to amps, as well as from P-10 to CD/SACD by next weekend. Needless to say, I have found they make a substantial positive difference in my system, or I wouldn't be doing this. They also play well with the PS Audio P-10's. I will then be through for a while, as I need to put 250-300 hours on these pcs to get a system baseline. Really looking forward to the results.

fplanner2000 December 14, 2012 15:12

Dev-
Thanks for the suggestions. I have already thought of these and a dozen other permutations, but until I decide to put the TV on the wall, none will be happening. Also, my pics aren't totally accurate - most of the video gear is now to the right of the TV and 1 P-10 is in the rack just above the 450. The SR Powercell is no longer in the system.

My priority right now is deciding the best pcs for my newly-protected system and cleaning up the cable/wall wart mess behind everything. Fortunately, that is going pretty well and I am encouraged by the results so far.

Thanks again for your suggestions.

fplanner2000 December 05, 2012 17:18

K-
I will be trying a P-3 on 1 of my amps later this week. A possible scenario soon could be P-4's from the wall to the P-10's, p-3's from the P-10 to the amps, and a P-4 on the CD player. My ears will of course be the guide here and below.

Right now, I have PS Audio AC-12's going from the wall to the P-10s and they sound good, but not great. I will also be trying both P-3 and P-4 in that position and see if I hear a difference.

fplanner2000 December 04, 2012 15:38

K- I am quite happy so far with what the P-10's are doing. Thank you for your suggestion.

fplanner2000 December 03, 2012 19:43

So far, quite happy with what the p-10s are doing, or not doing with my system. I've used David's cables years ago with good results, but haven't kept up as his prices have skyrocketed. I'm sure they are very good power cords.

These Hi Diamonds seem to be in a class by themselves and are very reasonably priced, at least so far. I would try one and see for yourself. They sell through a distributor, which eliminates a bunch of markup, and he's a pretty knowledgeable guy as well. Not a lot of BS, which is refreshing. I'm already upgrading... :-)

I don't know enough about the rm20s to even guess why they didn't work with the VACs, unless they didn't have enough capacitance to handle what the VACs were requiring. I have not found that to be the case at all in my system with the P-10s. In fact, my VACs are sounding better each time I turn them on now - probably has something to do with cleaner, more constant voltage. You can actually measure the THD going in and coming out of the unit - pretty cool. Let me know when you get yours in.

fplanner2000 December 03, 2012 04:53

Hi Dev-

Yes- SR Hologram-A: worst; PS Audio AC-12 - 2nd; Hi Diamond p-3 - best. Since I only have 1 Hi Diamond at home, it will be on my cd-player until mid-week. At that point, another P-3 will be here as well as a P-4. This will allow my p-3s to feed the P-10s from the wall while the p-4 runs between a p-10 and my cd player.

I'm told it takes about 250 hours for the p-3s to really open up. Once that happens, I will put them elsewhere in my home system - probably to the amps from the P-10s and replace the p-3s with p-4s from the wall to the P-10s.

So far, the p-3 at home, which has very few hours on it, is handily out-performing my multi-thousand hour SR Hologram pcs. Makes my decision pretty easy, especially with the side benefit of getting rid of those MPCs and simplifying things.

Having the power protection as well as the clean, steady power provided by the PS Audio p-10s, along with the almost eerily quiet noise floor, make them keepers for my system. I think when people might run into problems with dynamics is when they try to get away with just 1 in a system that draws more current than they imagine. For example, each side of my system runs between 450-500 watts at IDLE, something I was totally unaware of. That tells me immediately that 1 p-10 is probably not enough, since it will "only" go to 1200w/1500w peak. I was planning on 2 all along, so not a problem. Another option down the line might be to also get a p-5 to just isolate all my video/movies equipment. I'm already getting a better picture out of my TV which is now protected as well.

Weren't you getting P-10's as well? How's that going?

fplanner2000 December 02, 2012 18:59

Hi Lloyd- thanks for the kind words - you flatter me. I have never tried Stillpoints under my speakers, as I am on concrete and they didn't seem appropriate. I did have them under 1 of my old VAC 300.1 amps as well as a CD player I used to use, and they gave me a bit tighter bass and cleaner highs. Not sure if that experience would translate into the same sort of result under your speakers, but please let me know what happens.

Per my comments above, I was so amazed that the Hi Diamond P-3 pc destroyed my $2400 (retail) SR Hologram-D pc at 1/3 the price, I just ordered a new P-4 to put on the CD player. I know what my ears heard - the P-3s drop the noise floor and just let the music come through. I can't even imagine what the P-4, their newest and best will do, but I'll find out in a few days. So far, I've been very impressed, as have those who have heard my office and home systems recently. FWIW, YMMV, etc., etc. :-)

fplanner2000 December 02, 2012 04:35

Just put the PS Audio P-10s into my system - 1 for each side.
Noise floor dropped to dead silence. Synergistic Powercell removed(1st generation - currently for sale). PS Audio AC-12's feeding the P-10's. System got a bit too lush and recessed. Replaced the SYnergistic Hologram D pc feeding the NWO cd player with a Hi Diamond P-3. Change was amazing - dynamics returned, as well as imaging and PRAT - cold. All cables were not broken in, except for the Holgram D. P-10's were in their first hour.

Bottom line - COLD and unbroken in, system sounds more musical and accurate than it ever has, plus its now protected from electrical disturbances, etc. Having a steady, pure 120v going to all my gear is also a good thing.

fplanner2000 December 01, 2012 21:12

Currently, whenever my system doesn't sound "right", I know its because 1 or more of the Synergistic MPC's has come loose somehow and I have to check 20-30 of them to see where the break is. These are the technology that Synergistic relies upon. I am tired of this ridiculous exercise - while these tone controls might have been more positive than negative before my system got to its current level, now its the other way around. This became very evident when I was testing the PS Audio P-10 in my system this past weekend.

I will be upgrading my PC's to Hi Diamond in my home system to start, as well as selling my Powercell. My system is at a level now where tone controls just get in the way, both sonically and physically. I can't wait to hear what my system REALLY SOUNDS LIKE!!

fplanner2000 November 22, 2012 14:21

Hi Dev-
I got 1 yesterday and the other will be here Monday. I've been using Synergistic pcs on the amps, but am switching to Hi Diamond p-3's. They won and the best part is, the cables get about 30% better after 2-300 hours. What I like best is that they just get out of the way of the music, allowing my system to come through. My Synergistic gear was mostly purchased 3-4 years ago, when my system was nowhere near as evolved as it is now.

My goal now is to simplify things, get rid of the many wall-warts that are required of Synergistic cabling, and to just hear what my system is capable of.

fplanner2000 November 22, 2012 13:55

The P-10 from PS Audio ACTUALLY WORKED GREAT on 1 VAC 450amp in our testing today.

No dynamic limitations whatsoever - as a matter of fact the sound from the connected speaker sounded both more detailed and musical than the other amp/speaker!! All the other components remained plugged into my Synergistic Powercell.

We also discovered 123.7 amps were being fed to the rest of the system while we were listening. That is exactly why I like the P-10 - I want a steady 120 going to my components, not 115 or 125; plus the surge protection, etc..

I will be ordering a pair of these Monday. The search is over. Tomorrow we will try to ascertain how "feeding cable sensitive" the P-10 is. Today's test was using Masterbuilt Signature. Stay tuned.

fplanner2000 November 17, 2012 23:50

Hi Dev-

I'll have a better idea this weekend after I perform my "experiment". Apparently I've been lucky so far, but I know better than to count on luck. I'll let you know what happens. Also, PLEASE let me know what happens with that Burmester piece. Thanks.

I believe Ozzy also has 450's and posted me yesterday he was running Audience AR20-TOs with good results.

fplanner2000 November 15, 2012 13:22

Thank you - I appreciate it. I tend to be my own worst critic at times, so its great when I can share the pleasure that my system brings me with others in the same room and without having to say a word. That's the really fun part :-)

fplanner2000 October 14, 2012 02:35

Kevin Hayes et al came by last nite to hear my system. He was pretty surprised at how much better my system now sounds than the last time he heard it, which was about 2 years ago. Apparently they were pretty impressed, making a number of very complementary comments, which was very nice of them. It was a nice validation of the time and effort I've put in to get my system to this level.

fplanner2000 October 13, 2012 12:28

Micward - Happy to answer your questions. Send me a PM. Thanks.

fplanner2000 May 20, 2009 02:14

Thanks for the compliment - its taken a while and I know there are a lot of more expensive systems out there, but this is what works for me. After a lot of trial and error, I discovered that its not always the most expensive nor the newest "gee whiz" component that is the best fit sonically. I've been very fortunate to be able to achieve a really nice synergy that sounds great without having to win the lottery (although that wouldn't hurt, right?!) It also helps to be working with really good dealers and great manufacturers. Their support and knowledge has been critical throughout my journey.

I discovered lately that MORE POWER is almost always a good thing, especially if its clean, fast TOOB power. A second amp took my system to a completely new level, quite unexpectedly. Its made a huge difference and I now highly recommend this to others, regardless of system level.

fplanner2000 April 19, 2009 17:24

Sounds like a deal, Art. Excellent advice btw re:tripod - I also played around with shutter speed, etc. As you can see, I have a bunch of gear "shoehorned" into my living room. No way I could stack the digital if I lived in Cali - it would be in pieces first minor quake...

I got the proper matching SR Hologram A pc for the 2nd amp and its making a difference, although maybe in my mind more than anywhere else......

fplanner2000 April 12, 2009 20:16

System edited: Finally got some pictures.....

fplanner2000 April 12, 2009 19:24

Roger - Thanks for the compliment - its taken a while to get to where I am, but definitely an enjoyable journey.

To answer your questions, the midrange got sweeter, along with female vocals. More detail, better imaging and greater dynamic range. I had no idea there would be this great an improvement - excellent bass "slam" which wasn't really there before as well. Makes me want to hear all my CDs/SACDs over again to hear what I was missing - I feel like a kid at Christmas!!

P.S. - Don't know that I am technically "bi-amping" - I have each amp entirely feeding 1 speaker in a monoblock configuration. It looks like your situation may lend itself to a different configuration = ie., REAL "bi-amping" The VAC tube gear is pretty tough to beat - if your speakers are bi-wireable, its close to a no-brainer using all 3 amps. Please let me know how that works out - I'll bet you'll be smiling just as I am!! Thanks again for the comment Roger.

fplanner2000 March 30, 2009 18:12

UPDATE: 2 new major developments-

First, the Powercell 10SE will stay in my system. Took it about 5-6 days to start opening up, but now after 10 days, I can draw conclusions. There is more openness to the sound as well as a bit more detail. Depth and width of soundstage have also increased. When I put the BPT back in, it sounded "closed" by comparison. I was pretty surprised by this result, but my ears were the judge.

Second - Added another VAC 300.1, bi-amping the VR-7s for a total of 300w going to each speaker. The difference was much greater than I had anticipated - the extra power basically "activated" the woofers in the speakers(2 10" in each) for the first time since I've owned them (1 year), causing me to have to turn down the sub about 90% from where it had been. Greater overall weight to the soundstage, increased depth, better imaging and separation and an "ease" to the presentation that wasn't there before. What a difference!! And this is only going to get better as the new amp breaks into the system.....

The combination of these two upgrades makes it seem like I'm hearing my system for the first time all over again, but LOTS BETTER!! They were as significant as any upgrades I've made to my system to this point, which is saying quite a bit. It was pretty good before, but now I don't want to leave my living room!!

fplanner2000 March 30, 2009 01:58

I will post my comparative results when I come to a conclusion. The BPT is a very good conditioner and it seems as though most of the reviews I've read were not comparing the Powercell to a conditioner of this level. I'm going to try to wait a week or so for the Powercell to break into my system before I come to any meaningful conclusions. So far, after 3 1/2 days, the soundstage seems a bit larger, the dynamics a bit more open, and a bit more air around the voices/instruments, but not earth-shatteringly so. Again, this is still somewhat early in the process.

fplanner2000 March 22, 2009 18:29

In a moment of weakness/insanity and due to a number of factors, some beyond my control, I've decided to get a SECOND VAC 300.1 amp. Yes, that means I will be mono-blocking the VR-7s with 300w of VAC Tubes into each. Just when I thought it couldn't get any better..... (Positives: One less room to heat in the winter.... Negatives: I may now have to put solar panels on the roof to offset the electric bill!) Amp due this week (no chances w/Fed-ex(dropped my last one) or UPS - this time its coming by Pilot Air on a pallet). Also demoing the new Powercell 10SE from SR as a possible replacement for my BPT. Jury is still out....

fplanner2000 March 22, 2009 00:18

Update - was just informed the Marten Design system I had heard at RMAF was using Coltrane Supreme speakers that retail for $295K. Holy COW! No wonder I liked them..............

fplanner2000 December 28, 2008 00:21

Update- Results of search for digital cable to connect my modded UX-1P1 to the new Denon. Already knew which ones were on my short list, and after demoing both, I will probably go with the SR D-3 digital cable over the Mexcel/Esoteric ACrolink 7N-D6100 R. Both are very, very good cables and I definitely detected a difference in presentation, even though the Denon DAC is still pretty early in break-in.

Comparing both cables attached betweeen my combination modded UX-1P1 and Denon's 32-bit DACs to the UX-1P1 and G-Os Rubidium clock (connected with an Acrolink BNC 75-ohm cable that I already own):

The Acrolink to 32-bit Denon is very linear and accurate, and adds lets through more resolution, as well as a little more depth and width of the soundstage. There is also a little more air around the instruments. I would be fine with this cable, had I not heard the SR D-3.

The SR D-3 is another story - while also allowing through more resolution, it is more involving and creates a much deeper soundstage with better layering front to back of both voices and instruments. I can much more easily tell when the D-3/Denon is on vs the G-0s. Definitely more synergy with the D-3, not surprising in a SR system, with a Hologram D PC on both the Ux-1 and Denon. I feel the D-3 really lets the advantages of the 32-bit DACs and other upgrades to the Denon, including the tubed output stage, really flow through better to the presentation.

While not a scientific test by any means, I found the results interesting considering I was using the best digital Acrolink cable Mexcel makes. This is by no means a criticism of the Acrolink cable, only a report that in my particular system, the SR D-3 is my preference.

Needless to say, the Denon just keeps getting better as it breaks in. I am getting many of the results recently reported by newly upgraded APL NWO-3.0-SE owners - better musicality, transparency, imaging, etc., etc. In my case, the frame of reference for "better" is improvement over the modded UX-1P1/G-Os rubidium clock combination, which had been my reference and yielded a better presentation, to my ears, than just about anything I had ever heard, ANYWHERE, under about a $400K system. These new improvements are becoming more and more noticeable as the days go by. I can literally hear "deeper" into the music - every day I am hearing new details in CDs I thought I knew. I know this is an oft-used phrase, but its really true! Amazing!!

(Although I realize cost doesn't necessarily equal quality, I heard a Martin Design speaker system several years back at RMAF that was better, to my ears, than anything I have heard to this day. The price tags were so high, I didn't even bother writing down the other components, but I'm sure the system was over $400K!)

FYI - The reports by NWO-3.0-SE owners referred to above are located on the APL HiFi forum site. Hope this helps.

fplanner2000 December 21, 2008 20:21

Just added the newly-updated Denon, now with 32 bit DACs and E182CC Amperex PQ Holland tubed class A output stage. Everything still needs to break in, but so far sounds better than my UX-1P1's DACs. Using the Denon as a DAC/clock only with the UX-1 as the transport - at this point seems like the best of both worlds - best transport made and best DACs and output stage anywhere at this time. I'm still smiling...

Will do a more in-depth sonic description after the Denon has had a chance to settle in.

fplanner2000 December 15, 2008 04:13

Update- Looks like APL Hifi is coming out with 2 different DAC boxes early next year at different price points. Apparently I will be getting one of these with lots of 32-bit AKM Dacs, tube output stage, etc., etc., etc. I CAN'T WAIT!!

In the meantime, since a few months is a very long time for this "instant gratification" person, Alex is upgrading my Denon to 32-bit Dacs, new clock, new wiring, new tube output stage, etc. It was his idea (I guess to keep me from going nuts for the next several months). It is my understanding he is incorporating lots of new technology learned in building the NWO-3.0-GO-SE into both my Denon and the new DAC boxes due out soon.

The Denon weakness is the transport, especially when compared to what I have in my Esoteric-upgraded UX-1, so he suggested using the Denon as a DAC and to A/B switch through my preamp to be able to compare his new Dacs, etc with what's in the Esoteric. Sounds like win-win to me and as I said, I'm pretty excited. The Denon should be back to me by the end of next week, hopefully. I'm pretty sure this will hold me over until the DAC boxes are ready.

Everything Alex is building and has built is modular, so that it can be upgraded as technologies change/improve, without having to sell the component at 1/2 price or below in order to buy an upgraded version. I agree with this approach as it is a real money-saver and makes sense, as long as there is support, which he assures me will continue, regardless of what others might say. He is also apparently working on a new line of amps and speakers and is gearing up his Bulgaria crew to assist in production, which is where he was this summer.

All-in-all, I am very happy with my dealings with Alex, which have been ongoing for over 4 years at this point. He is honest as the day is long, a real gentleman, and one of the most innovative audio manufacturers on the planet, IMHO. He, along with others such as Kevin Hayes and Albert von Schweickert, really help make audio FUN and very sonically rewarding for me. I just smile now when I listen to my gear...........

fplanner2000 November 26, 2008 23:05

System edited: Just added Ultrabit Platinum treatment to my top 35 CDs in rotation - almost the equivalent of a full component upgrade - wouldn't believe it if I wasn't hearing the positive differences. Pretty much better "everything" - will be going on every disc from now on. Treatment supposed to last 18-24 mos and treat 500 cds.

fplanner2000 November 23, 2008 00:47

Thanks - yours is pretty nice as well. I may be doing another upgrade to the front end very soon.

fplanner2000 November 16, 2008 23:02

Update- Got a visit from Albert Von Schweickert during RMAF - tuned my Velodyne sub to my system - thereby basically creating VR-9s out of my VR-7s. Jumped up another couple of levels due to Albert's tweaking with the sub and system. Ran a pair of SR Reference Sub ic's (thanks for bringing them to RMAF Elliott!) from the Preamp output to the sub and so they weren't totally broken in when Albert was here - everything sounds even better now!! I also tried and ended up keeping the Mexcel BNC cable from clock to transport - it was just to good not to keep.

fplanner2000 October 29, 2008 02:53

After about 450 hrs of break-in, the upgraded UX-1 sounds MUCH better than my 3910, as I had hoped it would. Better imaging, depth, bass, data retrieval and surprisingly, musicality. Decided to try the G-0s clock - Synergistic Hologram-D pc and Syn D-2 BNC-BNC connector to the UX-1p1(what it says on the LCD screen)

At 176.6 setting, all I can say is WOW! Better everything, especially imaging, data retrieval and musicality. This is as good a front end as I have ever heard anywhere. I have only been playing CDs so far, as that's what was burned in. Pretty sure its the same DACs for DVD and SACD - guess I'll find out soon enough.

The clock addition so far is more than lifting a few veils - its like a whole new presentation! Instruments are more alive and more clearly placed, detail is amazing and musicality is even better than before. I am quite pleased with the result so far, and haven't stopped smiling. Later on, I will probably also try the Esoteric digital BNC cable designed in conjunction with Mitsubishi(Mexcel) for these connections just for grins, to see if I can discern any improvement or differences. To be honest, I have a hard time believing the sound out of these components can get much, if any better, but you never know..... Once again, WOW - even better than I expected!

fplanner2000 September 07, 2008 22:56

System edited - Replacing 3910 with Esoteric UX-1 modded to UX-1p1, as well as Esoteric G-Os Rubidium Clock.

I acquired the UX-1 several months ago intending for it to be modified into an APL-3.0 by Alex Peychev. I believe the UX-1 has the best transport made anywhere, however my APL-3910 sounded better in my system than the stock UX-1.

I decided to have Esoteric double upgrade the UX-1 - sonics to UX-1 Ltd+ level and Video to UX-1p1 level, including HDMI out(1080p). I also acquired an Esoteric Rubidium clock here on Agon. The UX-1 should be back to me in a few days, but I'll be burning it in for at least a few weeks with an Isotek burn-in disk, per Esoteric, due to the extensive parts and wiring upgrade just done on the machine. I'll report back if anyone is interested.

I am also looking at probably adding APL's new DAC when its out in a few months. This will give me the flexibility of separate transport, clock and DAC at pretty close to SOTA, more useful than a single box solution going forward into the digital/computer age of audio, IMO. I will also have actually saved a few bucks!

If anyone has had amazing results with a particular BNC 75 ohm cable, please let me know (clock to UX-1). Thanks.

fplanner2000 August 13, 2008 22:26

I am using a Tesla Hologram-A, which I believe Ted designed for amps, with great results. It slightly betters my old Elrod Statement, which is a great PC, in speed, dynamics and musicality, no doubt in part due to the synergy with the rest of the SR cabling in my system.

fplanner2000 August 12, 2008 16:37

System edited: Added 3 new pieces-

1) Magnum Dynalab MD-108 Triode tuna in Silver with DAC option (not sure if the DAC will stay). Replaces Sansui, which I am keeping.

2)Also added Sony's top Blue-Ray player a few months back.

3)WIll also be incorporating an Integra DTC-9.8 HD processor into my system, to take advantage of the new HD movie formats(its been in the box for months - I just need to make time to install it and by writing about it, I am forcing myself to take action.... I hope!). It will replace my Sunfire TG IV processor.

fplanner2000 July 18, 2008 04:22

I put the Apex Tesla bi-wire speaker cables into my system yesterday afternoon, replacing VD Revelations that were shotgun bi-wired. There are various threads about what is the best way to bi-wire and since I was changing both cables and methods, I held my breath. Turned out to be totally unnecessary - the new cables are working well with the other Tesla cables in my system and the sound is more detailed, more organic, more transparent and the soundstage is both wider and deeper with much better layering and imaging. One of my concerns was that I would lose some of the great bass and speed I had - so far, that has not been the case and the cables barely have 10 hours on them. The sound seems to be a more palpable and details are not lost when the volume is turned down, a problem I was having before. In other words, the system is much quieter and more resolving. Another concern I had was that the presentation would become fatiguing, but no signs of this so far. Bottom line - I'm happy and have no present desire to do anything more other than to ENJOY THE MUSIC!! P.S. - I now find myself going through old CDs and hearing what i have been missing all this time - the system now really pulls out what is on the disc like never before. With the VR-7s now nicely broken in, I'm having a blast!!

When I calm down in a few weeks, I'll probably try that cable riser trick....

fplanner2000 April 14, 2008 03:28

thanks for the tip - one problem is that 1 of my speakers is only 2' from my amp while the other is close to 12'. I also have big dogs that live in the room with the stereo.

fplanner2000 April 03, 2008 01:43

SO far, the SR cords and cables have transformed my system for the better. Still using the VD bi-wire Revelation speaker cables, since SR Apex haven't come in yet. The VD speaker cables actually sound very good with the new SR cabling, so it will be interesting to see which I end up liking better. The good part is that the system sounds substantially better now than it did when I was just demoing some SR cords. Quatro helps as well as T-3 UHC from wall to power conditioner and t-2 to preamp, which I didn't have before.

fplanner2000 April 02, 2008 14:58

System edited- in an effort to get more transparency, layering, imaging, etc. out of my system, I have been demoing a number of different cables in the past month. I settled on Synergistic Research as the best fit of the several other brands I tried Although the VD cables did have their strengths, in the end I didn't like the sonic tradeoffs I was having to make nor the wear and strain on the connections and binding posts my gear was enduring due to the very heavy Genesis and Revelation cables. Good cables but not a very good match for the VR-7s and the rest of my gear in my system. After hearing some other cables in my system, I knew I had to make a change and I have done so. I'll report later on the results.

fplanner2000 March 27, 2008 04:35

System edited: Whispers are gone - replaced by Von Schweickert VR-7SE's - synergy with VAC gear is supposed to be phenomenal - I will know shortly - they are a few days away. Hitachi TV has also been replaced with a 60" Sony SXRD that has an incredible picture and a much smaller footprint than the Hitachi.

fplanner2000 February 14, 2008 03:46

System edited: Added VD Genesis 1.0 ICs between CD player and preamp, moving VD Revelation Signature ICs, which used to be there, down the system to connect the VAC preamp to the Steridian(speaker equalizer). Pulled the Siltech 110 ICs, which used to connect the preamp to Steridian, out of the system. I already hear a positive difference with a larger soundstage and more "energy" coming out of the system. The highs are fuller and the bass is both deeper and more solid. The midrange, always a strength, seems to be more 3-dimensional already. I also realize this will only get a lot better as the Genesis ICs break in over the next several months. Rick added some set-screws to the ends of the Genesis ICs to help hold them in place. They GREATLY assist in keeping the cables where they are supposed to be - pre-bending is also a must. I got around the issue of 15 lb. ICs pulling my 10lb Steridian off the top of my 3910 by velcroing the front 2 legs of the Steridian to the 3910. SO far, this has WORKED, in combination with the set-screws of the Genesis!! I'm amazed. My APL-modded 3910 now has a Genesis PC going to it and Genesis ICs coming from it - it/I could get spoiled, especially as break-in continues..............

fplanner2000 December 09, 2007 17:51

Thanks for asking - I've been busy and have forgotten to talk a little about the new amp.

Kevin sent me another new one at the beginning of September and I have been smiling ever since. There are no weaknesses that I can detect in this amp - it just does everything very, very well. It shouldn't be leaving my system unless Kevin improves upon it. The first time I turned it on, it just sounded "right" with both a wider and deeper soundstage as well as a much better placement of the instruments than I have been used to with the McCormack (also a good amp and highly reviewed) As has broken in, the palpability has increased and the musicality has gotten even better than I thought it would. The bass is also better than any other amp I have ever heard, SS or tube - it just sounds the way a live performance does, with no exaggerations. The prior reviewers of this amp were right - it is indeed a "statement" piece and I'm proud to own mine.

fplanner2000 December 06, 2007 03:36

Update- Hitachi TV replaced with Sony KDS-60A3000 SXRD - amazing picture (60") and only weighs 80#. Billy Bags also made a custom rack for the TV and ancillary components to match my existing rack. Much cleaner look and more user friendly since I can now get to the rear of the componenet rack much more easily. Also acquired a Sony Blu-ray player and will probably be getting a HD processor within the next month or so to replace the Sunfire processor.

fplanner2000 December 05, 2007 04:29

Sherod-
D. Elrod told me the cord I sent to him for retermination showed evidence of arcing. I believe this was caused by the particular eccentricities of my set-up. The BPT is a few feet off the ground in my rack and the heavy Statement PC is held in place by mostly the plug connection itself. This has had a tendency over the past 18 months to come loose - when it does, my system dies. I have used various methods to help support the cord. I believe it is basically gravity that is responsible for the "arcing" problems - I will be pulling the BPT out of the system later this week, so will be able to better determine what was going on.

fplanner2000 October 08, 2007 02:26

Just discovered (with help from David Elrod) that my power from the wall is arcing at the BPT input IEC. Result is that I've only been getting about 50% available power to my system. This will be remedied at RMAF as Chris from BPT will put a new connector in the BPT and David put a new Oyaide connector on the power cord. Interestingly, I just put the cord that comes with the BPT into the system from wall to BPT and the sound opened up noticeably. Can't wait to get the new connector in the BPT and hook up the Elrod Statement cord again into the system. Apparently, I've been missing a lot!!

fplanner2000 October 04, 2007 13:54

Just put the 300.1 into the system (easier said than done w/Genesis Revelation spkr cables) and immediately I notice more decay to the sound as well as BETTER BASS than my McCormack DNA-500(which I would not believe if I wasn't hearing it). Additionally, the images are clearer and more 3-dimensional. Not sure if this is a tube vs. solid state thing or not, but I really don't care - I like it better and it is nowhere near broken in or into the system. The exciting part is that I know its only going to get better. Too soon to go into details yet, obviously.

Also talked to Roy Johnson of GMA yesterday - looks like he will be building a replacement to the C-3 by spring that may fit into my system very nicely, especially with his assurances that it will be more appearance-friendly than the C-3.

fplanner2000 July 21, 2007 20:28

UPDATE: Effect of new Genesis PC becoming even more profound on the APL Denon - greater musicality and actually picking up subtle sounds, for example, faded bass lines that were just either absent or muddy before. Bass is much clearer and more weighty, highs are extended and mids are just really nice. There is also a much greater depth of soundstage and more of a "you are there" feeling.

Looks like VAC 300.1 amp will be here week after next, assuming things go as planned (which does "sometimes" happen). Can't wait..........

fplanner2000 April 04, 2007 23:14

UPDATE: VD Genesis PC replaces EpiphanyX on the APL Denon.

fplanner2000 March 04, 2007 04:56

Dave-
I am very happy with my recently upgraded Denon - it now has reached its apex in performance and I'm impressed. Like yours, you hear the differences immediately compared with any other player I've had in the system.

From a power cord perspective, so far I've been very impressed with the VD Genesis, especially now as it settles in. Excellent macro- and micro-dynamics, soundstaging and musicality. The player REALLY opens up with this PC. If you send me an e-mail, I'll be glad to discuss the other cords I've tried. I have VD PCs on my preamp and APL, with Elrod Statements on my Amp and power conditioner. I spoke with Rick of VD over the weekend and in a moment of weakness, he got me to agree to TRY a Genesis on my power amp. I was very reluctant, since I really like how the Elrod PCs perform in my system on the back end and really don't want to deal with the cable installation hassle again. However, I really don't have anything to lose by just trying it.
If you haven't at least tried a VD PC, I would suggest demoing one from the Cable Company, at minimum with your gear, a Master 3.0. This will at least give you a pretty good idea of what these PCs can do for your sound. Again, I've never heard anything else like them, at any price.

As far as the amp is concerned, last I heard was 2 months. I hate the waiting, but am pretty sure it will be worth it once the amp finally arrives.

fplanner2000 February 26, 2007 13:42

I got the Genesis PC to actually hold between my power conditioner and CD player this am. We are closing doors very gently for fear of disturbing the perfect balance. I pre-bent everything and then placed the bulk of the weight on an insulated 4" pipe about 18" long. Took me 1/2 hour to plan and prebend, 10 minutes to install - a new record for VD and me. It has been working for several hours now.....

Initial comparison with EpiphanyX it replaced - no contest - better imaging, depth and width of soundstage, and most of all, the ability to draw out the depth of the music, especially the bass, much more clearly and completely. I realize this will only get better as the cord settles in, but so far, so good.

fplanner2000 February 18, 2007 18:46

Yes - the Steridian is still there,until it misbehaves again. It knows this, so has been on good behavior for the past year or so. The knob is set at 2:30 = that seems to work best in my system. Speaking of system, today I just got a Virtual Dynamics Genesis power cable in the mail from Rick S. to demo. It weighs about 15 lbs - see their website for a picture. I've got to pre-bend it/them (actually 3 cables) so that it fits both the power conditioner (2nd shelf from bottom of rack) AND the CD player (top of the rack) without pulling either off and creating a loud, expensive problem. I'll probably wait till the weekend to tackle this. Supposedly this cable does things to the staging, imaging and musicality that need to be heard to be believed. We'll see............
Still haven't tried the Whisper toe-in - sounds like this will be a busy weekend.....

fplanner2000 February 15, 2007 00:05

Dave-
Apparently the VAC is VERY special. Kevin and I have been talking about his Phi 300 for about a year now. My reluctance to switch has been pretty strong to this point,as you know, since the McCormack really has been doing a good job. However, when I critically look towards taking my system to the next level, the 500 is probably my weakest component, including PCs, ICs, etc. I was in fact looking to upgrade my CD player as THE change, and will probably still do that at some time in the future. My current player has just received all the latest mods APL can do to the 3910 and sounds really, really nice. Due to recurring upgraditis, I am wanting to hear even deeper into the music, so that my system totally disappears. With the help of a friend at the Cable Company who is very familiar with my system and has heard both the future CD player as well as the Phi 300.1 at CES, my immediate decision became very clear. Without any prior prompting from me, he actually said that when he heard the Phi 300.1 amp, the components disappeared and all you heard was the music. "Breathtaking" and "phenomenal" were 2 of the words he used. SO, AMP first, then we'll see where we are.

As far as the Whispers, I am getting nice staging with them crossing just in front of me, but now will try crossing them a little sooner and see what happens. Thanks for the response Dave and I'll let you know what happens.

Harve

fplanner2000 February 14, 2007 05:26

Update - System about to hopefully hit another level as I just ordered a VAC Phi 300.1 amp after great reviews at CES to replace my DNA-500, which has been an excellent amp. Apparently a number of others have had the same idea as there is a 10-12 week wait at this point, according to Kevin. He and I have been talking about this upgrade for quite a while now - when a very knowledgeable friend heard the amp at CES and raved, I decided to pull the trigger. Realized it was somewhat nuts to let the dogs/tubes issue keep me from best sound.....they'll just learn to be careful and I'm sure they'll also appreciate the upgrade (they like New Age and Jazz, mostly, plus sleeping in front of the speakers).

fplanner2000 February 11, 2007 18:32