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UPDATE (12/23/07): added the MBL 5011 preamp. After living with my Esoteric front end for almost 3 months without a pre, I came to the realization that a pre was definitely needed. Without a pre, the sound was a bit thin and lacking bass. The 5011 addressed these issues and so much more. I did not realize how poor my soundstaging was until I introduced the 5011. This pre does in incredible job of layering the soundstage as well as separating each individual instrument.

UPDATE (12/07/07): added the Ayre MX-R amps. These were broken in by my dealer for 2 weeks before I took delivery. I rarely am taken back by gear but I was startled at how much real these amps sounded to me than my previous amps. There is more detail, more immediacy of notes, very good separation of instruments, and a very nice holographic presentation. I can go on and on but by far these amps are the most realistic sounding I have come across. They are just so enjoyable to listen to!

UPDATE (9/29/07): added Esoteric P-03 transport and D-05 DAC. The D-05 has the latest 32 bit DAC from AKM. Even only after a few hours I hear much better separation between instruments and notes, better sustain and decay, and more authoritative bass. More updates to follow.

UPDATE (8/03/07): added the Oyaide R1 outlet for my amps. Everything is a bit livelier with much better detail. I am hearing so many little nuances I have never heard before!

UPDATE (7/24/07): added the Oyaide SWO-GX Ultimo outlet to my front end. What a difference! The bass now goes lower and there is more detail across the board. I will adding another outlet for my amps next. This is by far one of the best tweaks I have ever done.

UPDATE (7/13/07): I finally got around to adding some heavy silk drapes and they made a world of difference. Everything is much smoother. I will continue to look for ways to judiciously treat my room without making it look like a recording studio.

Beauty:

-The sound is just incredible. Vocals are holographic and textured.

-The MBL 5011 preamp is beautiful to look at. Luckily the sound is just as good.

-The Ayre MX-R amps are just gorgeous to look at. The casework is outstanding. And as my wife said, "they are so cute"!

Beasts:

-The Usher BE-10 speakers are big and thick producing a powerful yet delicate sound.

-The Esoteric P-03 transport is incredibly heavy (75lb) and big but it sure sounds good.

My system has undergone A LOT of changes over the last few years. This has been mainly to me figuring out my own listening preferences and understanding what I wanted to get out of my system. After swapping out a lot of components and spending too much money, I have finally settled down a bit.

I listen to all kinds of music but tend to favor anything with female vocals, particularly acoustic folk and vocal jazz. I also favor simple orchestration and basic instrumentation with a preference for acoustic guitar and piano. The less number of instruments between me and the vocals the better. I mainly go to listen to music in small, intimate venues where I am able to sit within a few feet of the band.

Given my musical tastes, I wanted to put together a system that is able to reproduce the sound as organically as possible. I want to hear every little detail like the quiver in a singer's voice, the sound of the guitar pick striking the string, the feeling of the hammer hitting the piano string. To me, these tiny nuances help to make the music sound as real (i.e. organic) as possible. To this end, I wanted a system that was detailed, dynamic, fast, and immediate with just a hint of warmth. I did not want anything that was too syrupy sounding though. My current system gives me everything I am looking for. It is as close to hearing musicians in my room that I have ever heard with any previous iteration of my system.
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    • Esoteric P-03 Transport
    I love the Esoteric sound so much I had to get their P-03 transport.
    • Esoteric D-05
    Anniversary model with new AKM 32 bit DAC
    • Esoteric VRDS-Neo
    This transport is a work of art! By far, the best, most accurate transport available. The amount of detail it extracts is amazing!
    • Sonos ZP-80
    Wireless digital music system. Digital output is sent to Esoteric D-05 DAC, a huge improvement over internal DAC. I enjoy my music so much more now that I have instant access to my 40K song library
    • MBL 5011
    A very musical preamp with outstanding soundstaging and separation of each instrument.
    • Ayre Acoustics MX-R
    I am so happy with these amps. They make everything sound so real it is startling! The transparency and dynamics suit my preferences perfectly!
    • Usher BE-10
    Very dynamic and neutral sounding speaker. I am sold on beryllium!
    • Tara Labs The One
    Very transparent and "tight" sounding cable that also offers weight and solidity. These give me all the virtues I admired in my previous speaker cable, the Nordost Blue Heaven while providing what it was missing.
    • Acoustic Zen Silver Reference II
    Used between my source and preamp. Great detail without sounding bright or edgy.
    • Acoustic Zen Matrix Reference II
    Used between my preamp and amp. Very smooth sounding.
    • Acoustic Zen MC2 XLR
    AES/EBU digital cable from Esoteric P-03 transport to D-05 DAC.
    • Acoustic Zen Silver Byte
    Used to synch the word clock from the Esoteric D-05 DAC to the P-03 transport.
    • Acoustic Zen MC2 RCA
    Digital cable from Sonos ZP-80 wireless digital music system to Esoteric D-05 DAC.
    • Virtual Dynamics Nite 3
    Being used to power by MBL 5011 preamp. Like all VD power cables I immediately noticed more dynamics, speed, and authority. The soundstage with the VD power cables are incredible!
    • Star Sound Technology SP-4 Sistrum Stand
    Great amp stand that helped to add smoothness to my system.
    • Oyaide SWO-GX Ultimo
    Double cryo'd outlet with 24K gold plating - used for cdp and preamp
    • Oyaide R1
    Cryo'd ac outlet with Beryllium/copper and palladium plating - used for amps
    • HiFi Tuning Fuse
    I added this "audiophile" fuse to my MBL 5011 preamp. I am not sure it made any difference but it was cheap and lord knows I have spent much more money on things that actually made my system sound worse! My previous preamp, Classe CP-700 did respond positively to these fuses though. I still may try some in my other components.

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Hi Chrisla and Tboooe I'm sure that was fun to just actual get to trade stories back and forth along with listening to some great music.

I have a couple of points to make here with my own personal experiences so take it for what it is worth.

I find when trying to do these demos and removing and placing in new cables (IC's or speaker cables but not power cables) actually doesn't work for me. The reason I say this is that most not all cables need time to relax, settle in and can sound totally different then they should when not allowed this time, they can take a day, two or even three. I have actually pulled cables out of my own system trying to re-route so they have a cleaner install appearance, I may have changed their actual bend and when I put them back in my system sounded thin, bass issues, stage collapsed etc. This all corrected it's self with some time, usually a few days. When it comes to auditioning cables I feel it is very important to have them in for at least 2-3 days just so they can settle in. I'm not trying to be negative about your outcome but I just don't agree with the demoing process and with what you are describing leads to my own experiences so I would try again but leave them in the system for 3 days and then evaluate to see if this changes the outcome. I had one extreme situation when dealing with the VD cables, the image was not centre focused after playing around with the cables but to the point it was coming out of one speaker, never experienced this before but it did come back but actually took 3-4 days.

A friend purchased some Sistrum platforms and put them under his speakers and for what ever reason placed one under his stereo amp and he had all kinds of weird things happening, placed the platform underneath his other speaker and still had weird things happening to the point of calling me saying what's going on. I told him just wait they need to settle in, I personally have no clue what's going on with all of this but there is theory behind it all and the manufacturers can explain in depth. When I placed the Sistrums underneath the MBL's they defiantly improved, they are just unbelievable, the bass wow! focus wow! and the stage even more precise with better holographic detail, just unbelievable.

Tboooe's system should have a (slight) edge and this would be nit picking on being more image precise sharpness than the MBL's but not by that much as I'm experiencing my self they are very very slight over my Andra's image.

When I went and heard Exlibris system with his MBL's I experienced a overly large balloon effect focus and this did concern me but I was listening into his system trying to retrieve other factors. I have heard allot of systems not dialed in with a similar effect, not quiet exaggerated but could have been corrected. In this same room where my MBL's are now I originally had W/P 7's which I felt had a razor sharp unrealistic image, these got replaced by Eggleston Andra 2's which were less focused (slightly less focused) but to me sound more realistic and more musical, these speakers I felt dominated the W/P 7's by far. Now comes in play the MBL's, the over all sound characteristics is just totally different which I prefer by a far margin and I am currently loss for words what I am experiencing. Now take into account that these are new to me but not the placement and what I'm use to hearing in this room. The focus was absolutely a big balloon effect initially when I was hearing them at Exlibris place but not at mine, Sistrum Platforms assist in this along with believe it or not the Holographs. Exlibris does have Holographs but I'm not sure if they are dialled in and if they are than it is something else which could be many different factors. Yesterday when I was listening I was playing around with the degree settings with the Holographs and could not believe what I was hearing, I actually could dial that image focus right in or out which was really interesting so Chrisla this is one item I would recommend for you and yourself Tboooe they work! It's funny really because when I bought them I just laughed saying please these do something and said boy am I ever going to have a expensive camp fire with these the next time I go camping. Sistrum platforms underneath the speakers, they work also and every person I know that has tried them was very happy with the results, Chris I sent you a pic showing the MBL's placed on them.

So that's my take after reading this, too bad we don't live close so we could get together.

Enjoy your listening.

dev

Hi Chrisla, I just gotta do it and then I'll know and never have to wonder what if and you know it will be a interesting learning experience, everything is already on order anyways. Once I have chosen between the two, Berning and CAT next will be MBL.

I will try the Tara Labs also but that will be a little down the road as I have so much going on right now.

I read where you aren't even using all the power of the 9011's, are they over kill then and is it best to go with the 9008's?

Vinyl will be pretty simple for me, Teres Certus 460 direct drive with matching stand. I owned the 340 prior and really enjoyed the unit along with the the looks are stunning if you have appreciation for wood.

dev

Tboooe regarding cables I only wish I would have tried Stealth product earlier as I would have been able to save allot of time and money. They just let you hear your gear and that's what I want, I don't want things added as other cables I have owned do.

Regarding components this will be a whole new learning curve but I believe the amps play a major role and there really are a limited amount available that will truly work with these speakers.

Everyone recommends to just get the MBL 6010D pre and 9011 or 9008 mono blocks and be done with it. If I went that route then it would be no fun and in the back of my mind I would be always thinking what if. Here are my thoughts; I'm getting both of these amps I mentioned to you as they are both on order, the Berning and CAT to compare and see which ones I prefer. Once this is done then I will get the MBL amps and pre., by this point I will be very familiar with the sound and it should be quiet easy once I put the MBL amps and pre into my system to see which I prefer. I'm currently still using the ARC REF3 pre.

dev

Tboooe I have heard the same amps in someone else's system and it really sounded great. I knew that you would have to go the route of getting another pre. I personally have tried numerous times direct and it is nice but a pre is a must for me anyways. I actually just sold my Pass X-600.5's but I have to say they truly are marvelous amps.

I received my new speakers the other day (MBL 101E's) best packing system I have ever had, even better than Wilson. The speakers pulled out of the wooden crates on a drawer system and then you just unbolt them from the bottom and you are done, absolutely marvelous. It's now time to break them in which apparently does not take allot of effort to do as dynamic driver speaker do.

You are likely asking so what did you replace the Pass amps with, well not exactly sure which one but this is what I have done.

I have ordered a pair of Berning Quadrature-Z mono blocks, only 24 pair being made so not to many people know about these and I have also ordered a pair of CAT JL3 SIG. latest version mono blocks so I should have some fun once I get them so we will see.

I also have gotten out of using Virtual Dynamic cables in my system and gone all Stealth, 2 separate pairs of Dream speaker cables so that I'm true bi-wired along with Dream power cables through out, I currently already use their latest version of the Indra with the Stealth connectors in which I'm very pleased with along with their Sextet digital cable.

Happy listening!

dev

Tboooe, great to hear that you are enjoying your new toys. I most definitely agree that you need a pre within the chain, I have tried several times in the past and always went back to using one in my system. Wow! does the clock ever make a difference when added to the two pieces you already have, if I was you I'd be looking at getting one.

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Thoooe nice system, I noticed you have Sistrum SP-1 platforms under your mono's, did you notice any difference when you placed them underneath?

Someone I know just recently got the SP-101 and placed his JM-Lab Nova Be's on them and told me he is very happy with the over all improvement. Is there a reason why you haven't put them under your speakers?

I just ordered the SP-6 component rack along with platforms for both my mono blocks and speakers.

dev