Hey Kenny,

some time has now passed and you have put some hours in - what have you found the differences to be.

Anything that stands out

Are the amps now dead silent

dev July 15, 2015 07:14

Kenny, thx

dev June 29, 2015 18:28

Charles,

yes trying to weed through is a challenge - do as much as possible and then look at getting the product in house so I can actually hear in my own system just like I did when I owned my MBL's. I went through allot but in the end found something what was a match made in heaven.

Some basic criteria that I do consider when looking, silent - no hum noises, heat the product transmits off - less the better so I can play in the summer without noticing, ic connections offer both rca and xlr - I have already invested large along with SC's and my intentions are not be replacing at this time.

Mono blocks really are my preference, I have always found to prefer and could always hear the positive differences and my system is already set-up for such so going this route would really be ideal.

dev June 25, 2015 12:05

Kenny / Charles,

If it was easy to hear for myself I would have already, to get to Jeff's place it's a flight out of country involved etc. but doesn't matter anyways because he doesn't have in stock currently as mentioned prior never mind broken-in to listen too or compare. I'm just trying to get some basic details and comparisons, weed through.

Unfortunately where I'm located low watt tube amps just have little if any existence and any found have not been ideal for a 4ohm load.

Transformer hum or noise would most defiantly ruled out a specific amplification, I just wouldn't want it.

Bass is the foundation of music so I wouldn't want some describe as big/fat or woolly, usually with this type there is a loss of dynamics across the entire spectrum.

dev June 24, 2015 17:11

Hi Kenny,

bass - are you finding it's controlled and realistic sounding with detail hearing the notes timbre, able to go down and hold a bass note or is it fat and woolly.

When I'm initially doing comparison I utilize various pces to assist in evaluation - stand up bass - piano - drum tracks and organ and various other instruments along with voices both male and female.

What type of music do you generally listen to- I listen to various just depending on my mood - from male to female vocal performances to rock to jazz - to big band - a little classical etc.

I'm looking for amplification that can handle all type of music and play to involve me - have my feet tapping.

Below are just some pces I use to assist in my evaluations;

-Dire Straits Brothers In Arms - 20th Aniv addition - various songs
-Eric Clapton Unplugged - various
-Musik wie von einem Anderson Sten - tracks 2-11-12-13 and 15, killer bass on 15 track
-Superbass 2 with Pay Brown,John Clayton,Christian McBride



These TW 300B mono's aren't inexpensive so I'm trying to get a feel for their characteristics - I will in the end need to fly and hear for myself but it doesn't appear that Jeff gets to keep anything long enough for a full break-in including speakers so not going to be easy.

I have already found I'm hearing differences due to break-in in my own speakers - bass that is sounding pretty nice has disappeared and then back and with too much - this all effects the entire sonic spectrum.

Currently using the Symposium platforms underneath that Jeff uses, using these brings back memories. I have a wood construction floor and using these under my speakers I find the floor interacts not in a good way which in the end adds negative sonics. With my previous speakers I found my preference while trying numerous products was the StillPoint Ultra 5's underneath - was unbelievable what they did to the entire sonic spectrum - not cheap though but well worth it.

Performance in general, yes but I have found with many speaker designs do portray different height sense and in general instrument size and more , finding them relatively unrealistic. I found this when listing to the TW's mono blocks at the RMAF Show in 2014.

I'm finding so far one weakness with my Horning speakers which is preciseness "sharpness" of image - any ones thought on this.

Amplifier transformer noise - ya that's no fun and I have found can happen over time and not have anything to do with what power you are feeding them. I had a pair of CAT JL3 Sig MK2 tube mono blocks and when I initially received brand new were silent but during break-in process one all the sudden went noisy and then the other one approx. was producing half of the noise. Manufactures response was "I never said my transformers are 100% dead silent"

To me this is a deal breaker because when I'm listening to music and a silent passage comes up this really distracts me taking away the connection to the music - one of my mono's got so bad that I could easily hear it audible some 30 ft away - sounded like a transformer used in those florescent lights. If I put my ear down to it and was faintly audible to me that's closer to being expectable.

I have my Vac Statement 450 mono blocks currently paired up because these are what I used with previous speakers and loved - I know way over kill and not something I would have purchased to marry up wit these speakers. It's a push-pull design and to my ears far from being a ideal match.

I have been trading some emails back and forth with others getting opinion's - one with Ian B a Horning Uk dealer who has been selling Horning speakers for sometime - he conveys saying the speakers need some power to properly control "my model" the 16 woofer drivers. His preferred amplification is a product called AM 833 mono blocks manufactured in China - swears by them - they look like knock offs of Wavac 833 too me but that's a whole other discussion, they do cost substantially less, biggest problem I see with this product in general is the heat they produce - my preference would be as lease as possible.

Lamm ML3's have really peaked my interest but cost soooo much - would have to totally blow me away - on my list for sure though.

dev June 23, 2015 06:02

Kenny,

When you refer to big - is that a positive or negative.

Look forward to such - what's the expected hours for break-in of these tubes, I have never had.

dev June 20, 2015 18:54

Kenny, how do you find the height of the performance in general - realistic in size or miniature.

When you are referring to bass quality - how would you describe it.

Charles - I was going to try the Frankenstein mono's but found out they don't have a 4ohm speaker connection which is recommended of my model of speaker - yours or anyone else's thoughts on this.

dev June 20, 2015 11:07

Ken,
thx for the update, don't know if I mentioned it but my speakers are Eufrodites but the latest version with the Brand New 16 bass drivers.

I do have a large space - Jeff has recommended either the Tron Telstar or your TW 300B mono blocks - haven't heard either. I did hear last year while at the show TW-Acustic’s 45 & 6B4G SE mono blocks but found there were areas I would prefer different.

So I really need to hear for myself - once done I will know.

I was actually ready to book a flight and visit Jeff to have a listen and do some comparisons but apparently he is currently ampless and awaiting for new arrivals but didn't mention if there were any TW 300B's coming.

I like the simplest clean look and a bonus that you don't notice any heat coming from them, that would be like my VAC pre-amp but when it comes to my amps not so.

dev June 18, 2015 08:20

Ken, thx for the reply.

Due to you owning Tron pre just thought going with Tron amplifier would provide added synergy.

Nice pics of the TW mono's - they look sharp.

So reading you it appears these amps don't lack power and have plenty on reserve when you want to crank it and rock out is that correct? How do you find when turning up the volume - any sonic loss or does it just get louder?

When will you be getting your Tron pre to pair up again.

What is the size of your room including ceiling height.

Have you ever heard the Sati from Horning - just trying to get my head around why I don't see more Horning owners using this when the speakers are voiced using such.

dev June 15, 2015 04:35

05-02-15: Kennythekey
System edited: Added pictures of my new TW 300B that will ship soon. My biggest deal in the last 40 years. Finally, SET.

Congrats!

Why did you not go with Tron amplification?

dev June 08, 2015 15:54

Hey guys interesting read - I'm new to the Horning family, have the latest revision speaker with Tommy's 16 new woofer drivers coming which Tommy says has been a long time dream of his. I saw the graphs in comparison of old and new which is pretty impressive.

Tommy with the new drivers;

With new bass drivers is "Heaven" and provides substantial improvement from the older design from the speakers top to bottom, warmth and speed is wonderful giving the system a much greater overall linearity.

Am I correct in reading that latest version speakers are even more efficient?

Have any of you ever tried or know anyone who has actually tried Border Patrol 300B mono's with the two separate power supplies - I have only heard only positive remarks.

Also same goes with the Frankenstein 300B mono's.

Tommy obviously is biased and feels his own Sati 520b is the ideal match and is working on his Statement Sati.

dev June 08, 2015 04:33