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Hi-Efficiency speakers paired with low watt SET amps. Highly musical but with natural detail and dynamics.
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Room Details

Dimensions: 19’ × 23’  Large
Ceiling: 12’


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    • Grimm Audio MU-1
    music server
    • Mola Mola Tambaqui DAC
    Bruno Putzeys design
    • Network Acoustics Muon Pro
    Ethernet filter
    • LHY Audio SW-8
    Ethernet Switch
    • Lyra Kleos SL
    Low output Cartridge
    • VPI Classic III with 3D tone arm
    Turntable
    • K&K Audio premium maxxed-out phonostage
    Kevin's top phonostage with upgraded output caps
    • Quadratic MC-1 Moving Coil Transformer (SUT)
    • Supratek Sauvignon (Highly Modded)
    Tubed line stage highly modded and nos tubes
    • Coincident Speaker Tech 300b Frankenstein mk.2 mono blocks
    8 watts of SET bliss using W.E. 300b,Takatsuki TA-300b and EML 300b XLS tubes.
    • First Watt SIT-3 amp
    Nelson Pass limited edition amp which has the sound signature somewhat of a SET amp and SS Class A amp combined.
    • Orchard Audio Starkrimson Stereo Ultra DMC 2.5
    Gan-Fet Class D amp, Very open, fast, detailed, transparent, dynamic, without being bright and hard sounding. Really takes control of your woofers
    • Horning Hybrid Eufrodite Ellipse
    Hi-efficient speakers that mate well with SET amps. Very musical and refined sound.
    • PurePower 1500+
    ac regenerator & conditioner with battery back-up
    • PI Audio Group Digibuss
    Digital filter with Furutech GTX-D NCF (R) outlets and IEC. Isolates and filters my digital components from sending digital nasties back into my system.
    • Black Cat Graceline 2 phono cable
    Turntable to SUT
    • High Fidelity Cables CT-1 Ultimate IC's
    connected to all componets except Turntable
    • HIJIRI HDG-X million digital AES/EBU
    connected between server and Dac
    • HIJIRI TAKUMI MAESTRO PC
    Used from Digi-bus to DAC
    Amp and Preamp
    • Triode Wire Labs Obsession, Digital American HP PC's, Spirit II phono cables
    Obsession connected to Regenerator and phonostage, Digital American HP to Grimm MU1,
    • Cerious Technologies Graphene Matrix PC's
    connected to phono stage
    • Silversmith Audio Fidelium Speaker Cables
    used from my Frankenstein 300b mono's to speakers
    • Cerious Technologies Graphene Matrix Speaker Cables
    used from First Watt SIT-3 amp to speakers
    • star sound tech., Townshend podiums, symposium ,SRA platforms,
    dedicated lines & room, footers, platforms and Furutech GTX-D NCF (r) outlets
    • Salk Sound Two Rythmik 12 subwoofers
    Connected with high level inputs. TWL  8 gauge pc to outlets

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Hey rman9,
I like it very much! It is a true hi-end dac. Doesn’t have any digital artifacts at all. Quite, musical, with good drive and openness. Imaging, soundstage, width, depth all very good!  Smoothness without losing detail. I use it with a Grimm MU1 and the pairing is wonderful!
 It is not cheap so, try to hear it first. 
 

snopro

Owner
Hey pdreher sorry for the late response. 
They are all really nice. I would put the Taks and WE in the same tier and the EML just below. The WE are a little warmer in the mids and upper bass than the Taks. The Taks are a little faster and tighter in the bass and the treble maybe more extended and refined. 
The EML are very dynamic and go the deepest in the bass but, isn't as refined sounding as the other two. The midrange doesn't have as much texture and beauty. 

snopro

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Thx Jason really enjoy listening to music through this set-up!
My Supratek is an older model the newer ones use output transformers.

Changed all the parts, Dave Slagle custom chokes, Magnequest interstage transformers, Dact attenuator, naked vishay and tantalum resistors, oil and black gate caps in power supply, cardas wiring, Jupiter Flat Stack output caps with Duelund silver bypass caps, WBT rca connectors, teflon tube sockets. I think thats all of it! LOL

Joe

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cfarrow,
Yes, I think the pairing is very good. It is a wonderful sounding SS amp. It has very nice tone with an open and transparent sound. It has zero grain and is almost as fleshed out and natural sounding as my 300b's but, goes deeper in the bass and has a wider soundstage.
It's a special SS amp. If it matches up with your speakers, which It does with mine and I'm sure yours you would be impressed.
I like to switch off between the two amps. I love both of them.  

snopro

Owner
Thanks Charles! The Zu's with the newer FRD are wonderful speakers, especially for the money.
The Hornings bring to the table  refinement and are more articulate in the upper midrange and lower treble. 
 The Hornings cost much more. Are they 5 times better, no but once you get to the 80, 90% as you know the last 10, 20% in sound is costly.

snopro

Owner
Hi hic and jetrexpro, The HFC's are wonderful so clear, open, and natural sounding.
David, the Zu's were really good and I enjoyed them a lot. The Hornings are a step or two above the Zu's in refinement, bass, and openness. Really a beautiful speaker to listen to.

snopro

Owner
System upgrade: I sold my Druid V and Undertone sub for a pair of Horning Eufrodite Ellipse speakers. Needs lots of brake-in but, sounds very good so far.
Musical, refined, with beautiful tone and a big open soundstage.

snopro

Owner
Thank you Tom for your kind words. I'm really enjoying music thru this set-up. Your system must give you much joy. Wonderful components, those Total Reference Speakers must sound unbelievable with your excellent choice of components.

Best,
Joe

snopro

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Hi Tom,
Actually, I use The Sistrum apprentice bases for my Franks with very good results. The SRA bases are excellent also. I'm using them for my SACD player and phonostage. They cost more money and are made specifically for that component.

Both work great, really couldn't compare because the SRA are made for the weight distribution of the component it's made for.

Sorry, if I couldn't be of more help.
Joe

snopro

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Dmarkov, thanks for the kind words. The SRA and Sistrum both improve the components that sit on them. Which ones work better? I don't know, because the SRA are made specifically for that component it sits on, so I didn't compare.

Yes those are Apprentice platforms under the Franks. They definitely need a few days to settle in. When I first placed them in the tonal balance leaned out a bit, but came back with tighter bass ,better dynamics, and inner detail.

snopro

Owner
Charles,
I was using the Takatsuki's. I ordered the Elrogs but TubesUSA (George) send them to my old address. The Post Office is forwarding them to my new address. It's been almost a month, hopefully they will arrive this week.

Looking forward to hearing them in the Franks, especially that you and Brownsfan think so highly of them.

snopro

Owner
Hey Dave,
It was a pleasure to meet you. We had a good day of tunes. Those Classical pieces were very nice.

Thanks for coming by, hopefully I'll get a chance to here your system.

snopro

Owner
Isochronism,
That pairing must sound wonderful! It's funny after all these years with
mutli-driver speakers & high powered complicated amps going back to
simpler circuits and speakers just sound more natural and enjoyable,
IMHO!

snopro

Owner
Thanks Isochronism,
Do you mean with the back of my head facing the opening, if so no. That would put one of the speakers in the entrance from the staircase.
Maybe one day I'll try the speakers set-up firing from the open loft side.
Right now I'm getting very good sound. The right speaker is 6.5' from the side wall.

Joe

snopro

Owner
Thanks Charles! The soundstage is huge when it is in the recording and bass is really good.
Evan, stop the excuses and come over with Esther when you have some free time.

snopro

Owner
System edited: New room added. Much bigger then my old room. The Soundstage is huge with great width, height and layered depth.

snopro

Owner
Thesaint519,
Thanks, I took a look at your system very nice. Your Lamm's and Wilson must be a wonderful combo.

snopro

Owner
Charles,
I replaced the white Solen caps that connect to the 6em7 tube socket. I'm not sure the value, but I think they are .47uf 630v caps. I still didn't unpack from the move, once I do I'll make sure.
The new caps fit with no problem. Yes, they are worth the change. I got 20% off when they were on sale. I think they cost $166 for a pair.
It's a simple swap, so you can always go back to the Solens.

Give them about 200 hrs. of break-in before you decide. They sound a little closed-in out of the box.

Let me know your thoughts, if you go for it.

Best,
Joe

snopro

Owner
Hi Charles,

I'm mostly using the Takatsuki tubes. I did put the EML's back in a couple months ago. They are excellent. The Takatsuki's have that purity which are very enticing.

I changed the coupling caps to Jupiter copper foils. The change wasn't drastic, but the tone impoved and the highs are more open and sweeter.

I moved to a new home last week and haven't set-up my room yet. The new room is a loft and much larger. Hopefully, the sound will be even better with a more expansive soundstage!

The Apprentice at first leaned out the tonal balance or so I thought. After a few days of settling and ears adjusting fine detail become easier to hear and bass became more articulate and tighter.

Best,
Joe

snopro

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System edited: added Star Sound Technologies Apprentice platforms for my
Franks and Takatsuki TA-300b tubes.

snopro

Owner
Islandmandan,

You have a wonderful system as well. Can you tell me what the difference is with the retip?

snopro

Owner
Thanks Jeff, you have an awesome system and beautiful big room. I wish my room was bigger.
Actually my room is on a cement slab, so couldn't use real wood. The Armstrong
laminate is very nice and does look like real wood.

snopro

Owner
Hi Franks,
I really like the Purepower. It doesn't restrict dynamics with my amps. It really cleans up the incoming power. Excellent black background and grain free sound.

snopro

Owner
Thanks, Early.

snopro

Owner
Hi Early,
Can you tell me at what frequency you are crossing the Undertone to the Druids at?
Thanks,
Joe

snopro

Owner
Hey Tbromgard,
The light is from Ikea. It is a led with a flexible neck. Don't remember the model #, but there are a lot to choose from.

snopro

Owner
Hi Charles,
I heard the Zu Def. IV's at a Zu party in New Jersey. I heard their potential in that set-up. Most full range drivers of years past always had a shouty or peaky sound to them, which I didn't like.
These Zu's were different, so after reading the long post about the Druid V's and Def. IV's I took the plunge. I'm happy I did!
The Undertone sub really fills out the bottom end & mates seamlessly with the Druids. This is the best bass I ever had in my room! Fast, tight, deep, with wonderful detail and texture.
I will try some tube amps also. I ordered a Decware Torii III. I read it has some qualities of Set amps in the mids and treble, but bass like a PP.
The built time is around 3 months. We shall see.

Joe

snopro

Owner
System edited: I went the hi-efficient low wattage route.
Went with Zu Audio Druid V and Undertone sub speakers. I
changed the amp to a First Watt J2. The sound is
fast,lively,dynamic,transparent,with a nice tonal
balance.The soundstage is wide and has nice layered depth.
I'm happy with the results.

snopro

Owner
Hi Ira,
I changed the caps in the power supply to oil caps also put in two custom chokes. I changed the transformers,output caps,resistors, tube sockets,rca sockets.
I also changed the volume control to a Dact resistor attenuator.

All these changes really brought the sound to a different level.

snopro

Owner
Hi Milpai,
Those triangle pieces are echo buster corner traps.
Thanks, the room is a relaxing place to listen to music.

snopro

Owner
Yes Kevin, He stop for a while, but started making preamps again last I heard.

snopro

Owner
Hi G,
It's been a while, but the Gran Corona was a little more fleshed out on my SACD player. The Lessloss is a very good cord. Just had better synergy with the Sablon.

snopro

Owner
thanks,will try diffusers in the future.
Yes, I have panels on the first reflection points on the ceiling.

snopro

Owner
Hi Bob,

I like it very much. Built quality is top notch and the sound is detailed and smooth. I personally don't think the sound is warm per say. I think it is musicially
engaging and just sounds natural.

snopro

Owner
I had an Aleph 5 which was an excellent amp, but ran very hot and ran out of steam on loud dynamic swings. So I needed an amp with more power and I read about the Spectron on various forums and e-mags. I talked to John at Spectron and purchased the Musician II, which sounded very good only lacking the aleph 5 midrange magic.
Once the Musician III came out I upgraded. The amp was all around better then the II. The amp is neutral and transparent any changes up stream are easily heard. With a good tube pre-amp and NOS tubes you can tailor the sound to your liking , the synergy is awesome!
Don't listen to the Absolute Sound saying Class D treble isn't good. I think the Spectron's treble can compare to some of the very best out there. Listen for yourself and you be the judge.

snopro

Owner
Thanks, Tympani I am sending the Spectron for the SE mod and I purchased a twin synergy 30 in walnut, looks much better and more stable with a lower height.

snopro