"ignorance is bliss" talks the man who connects dyns on 30watt amp with god knows which cables and calls them slow and broken and puts them in a small room with overpowered bass and then comment on their transparency? really...you made my friends and me a really good laugh...especialy with amp you chosen to drive 85db sensitive speakers(dyns in general)...and your answer on that is i guess "i chose quality not quantity"...like everyone whos got much stronger amp hasnt got more quality amp than you...im just sad you didnt give those speakers justice and actualy heard them singing...and what makes you think horns are faster...horns measure slower than any other type of speaker due to all the stored energy from reflections inside the throat...horns are faster in the sense that they can increase both the dynamic range and sound pressure level by as much as 5db making them "seem" faster but they are often more in your face, nothing more...just not my cup of tea...FYI(i dont know how in the world you have information that i did not compared my speakers to avantgardes that are even better than your model is, but YOU KNOW EVERYTHING) we did make direct comparison with my and few other speakers with avantgarde duos(with several high end amps and cables i will name it to you all if you like) and we concluded biggest difference is that avantgardes sound fatter and less coherent than any of the speaker we tried(let me guess...we are "ignorant" and we diddnt properly set up the speakers so we should call you to help us)...as matter of morbid angel example if you dont have any smarter way to attack my comment about a great control and speed of my amp and cables with dyns be my guest...if nothing you write really nice and eloquently besides you acting like you know everything...i apologise on making honest comment that vivids and avantgardes dont look like something by my taste(i hope its not a great sin to do that...allthough i said that looks is last in my book...my dyns dont look anything special also if you feel better)...so professor i dont want to test your patience...i leave you to yours "usain bolt" speakers to listen the speed and special effects and im going back to dungeon to listen some slow, broken and boxed music...regards...

raindog031 October 01, 2013 10:10

One more time in terms of boxiness i will agree with you but in terms of slowness and sound "broken" by comparishon i have to disagree and it could be only due the poor matching nothing more and that description i hear first and only time from you...i heard horns and electrostats on many ocations and overall if they sounded more better to my ears i would own them some time ago...but to each his own...

raindog031 September 14, 2013 14:33

Tnx on response Paul...you hit the nail with kodo drummers if you think only in terms of sonical quality...i have about dosen kodo drummer cds...and all of it sounds natural and its far from slow or broken as you said before when listening c1s...when i said dynamics i diddnt meant on dynamic range of songs or loudness...but simple that the song is fast(dynamic) and system power demanding (i heard 3 systems that first heavily distorted before clipping on this song) i am aware that this song is not a sonical and production bliss ( btw i heard hundreds of albums of atleast double worse production) and allthough drums are muffled and and not correct drum sounding( who am i to doubt in experienced seasoned drummer :) when listening on various equipment i noticed how demanding this is not to distord and sound even worse than it is produced...if i meant on a perfect dynamic range or sonic test song i could easily name many songs form wilson, chesky, focal etc. test audiophile cd...one more time i mention that ive heard them all and they all sound sublime and far from slow or broken as you said...so i must ask you on which amp and cables you pushed c1s that they sounded like that...my amp is 500w in 4ohm and i repeat it plays with most demanding tracks without a sweat on more demanding speakers than c1s ( btw i would ask you please to name a few most demanding tracks you know so i can play it on my system for fun...i guess you have some favorites)
and about transparency of boxed speakers and electrostats i think we dont have to waste many words...i couldnt agree more about differences in transparency but electrostats also have their limitations on other fields (btw one friend not long ago burned his maggies becuz of pushing them loud) i liked quads 2905 alot in a lot aspects but to push fast paced music with autority (metal/rock and electronica) no way jose...especialy lower models...not my cup of tea...as of horn speakers ive only heard avantgarde duos as i described to you so i dont heard much...and one more thing...(you can freely call me crazy if you like:) to me Vivid K-1 sounded more transparent than quads or avantgardes i listened...at the end if you ask me i will appreciate more good timbar sound and imaging infront transparency any day...now i will have to apologyse for long text and i guess i could explain some of my thoughts better becuz this is not my first language but i hope you understanded majority of post...my regards friend...

raindog031 August 15, 2013 08:29

Yes i buyed Dyn Focus 380 Gryphon diablo amp Crystal cables ultra and kuzma ref. mk2 tt with 4point arm...i got diablo, better amp at even better price than emitter1 so it was no brainer for me...im enjoying my system very much listening all sorts of music on it without a fuss...now its all matter of good or bad production...so i agree that rock metal has much of sloppy produced albums(when i think better rock is not exeption...all sorts of music has weak production but rock sounds particulary painful) maybe Dyns wouldnt be first choice for rock either for me but this speaker does every kind of music well and if i was unsatisfied with rock presentation i would not take it but i concluded that all has more to do with cabling and amp then speaker...when i tried cardas cabling sound was colored, slower and softer than real...when i installed crystals...it was like a new world...very non colored, correct speed(some folks like to call these like amps or cables fast but i call them correct speed becuz all other cables and amps i tried was mostly slower than it should be) and natural cables...best ive heard in home audition...so when you told that your c1s sounded broken, slower than avantgardes for me its no doubt a mismatch with amp-cables...you probably did not set up it right...confidence models are better than focus no doubt but on my focus i dont hear even hint of slownes or whatsoever...for example you can download morbid angel heretic album and put song named "drum check"...i turn the volume on very high loud levels...for sure it will test dynamical capabilitys of your system...on my system it goes effortlesly without one tone left out and without hint of distorsion or system breaking...uncanny...its matter of control...so if i put c1 on my system i guess it would sound anything but broken or slow...im sure in that...on a matter of transparency im aware that dyns are not last word but call them they sound like drivers from out of the box...they only sounded like that when i powered them with 40w luxman and karan ka-180mk2 integrated...read...i underpowered them...so i couldn be more satisfied with control of amp...we tried to push avalon isis speakers with diablo...it was pushing them without a breaking a sweat...also very neutral and uncolored as any of my components...regarding avantgardes i guess my friend diddnt set up them right although he tried his best...and about looks of components....its the last thing i look when i buy components....sound is what matters most but i just mention its becuz strange look nothing more...nice to talking to ya pal :)

raindog031 August 14, 2013 08:26

Paul i envy you on your Accuphase gear...world class...always loved them...

raindog031 August 01, 2013 13:41