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As I ponder the relative physics of space-time and try to grasp the ultimate meaning of "approaching 50 orbits around the sun", I can say with all certainty that there is at least one phenomenon I find entirely inescapable. You guessed it. The search for quality 2-channel audio playback is my own personal event horizon - with "perfect fidelity" playing the part of the nefarious singularity that threatens to destroy me (or at least disturb my finances, marriage, friendships, etc). OK, lame comparisons aside, let me tell it like it is (and has been up till now). I have been drawn to hi-fi since pre-teen years. My brother once built a pair of speakers and, at the time, I thought they were amazing... bragging to all my friends about them, etc. They weren't bad really, 2-way vented boxes as I recall - but what impressed me most was their ability to play loud without sounding horrific (not a trivial accomplishment for stab-in-the-dark home-built speakers back in the early 70s). Anyway, that set me firmly on the path such that when I could afford components myself (and always seemed to focus more on transducers than front-end gear or amplification), I started buying (and selling) like a godless heathen. Well, pretty much everything I did then and do now fits that same heathenesque description. But I digress... after farting around in my teens with Boston Acoustics, Infinity, my brothers hand-me-down speakers (yes, the ones he built), and even, don't hate me, Bose, I finally bought my first pair of "exotic" speakers circa 1982: Ohm Walsh 2. Man I loved those little truncated pyramids. Played them way too loud, way to hard, and with wildly inferior electronics (and, I'm pretty sure, too much free-falling beer way too close). I should have been executed on site. But they served their purpose well, sounded way better than almost anything my pals had (or so I kept saying to all my pals), and really helped to open my eyes to the vast majority and huge variety of quality components. They were the pair that broke the dam without question. After the Ohms, I bought a pair of used Maggie Tympani 1Ds. Good God man! I wish I only had enough floor space back then to do them justice (even though they were mind blowing in the small rooms I inhabited at the time). I paired them up with a set of matched MOSFET monoblocks that I designed and built and figured that was it. I'd done it. I'd both created and entered my little hifi nirvana-singularity. Done. But wait... then I heard the Apogee Duettas and, after that little virtual myocardial-infarction, realized that perhaps my Maggie enabled nirvana wasn't the end-all after-all. I stealthily obtained a pair of Duetta Signatures, enjoying wave after crashing wave of temporal and spatial coherency. There I stood, firm (OK, double entendre is suitable here) for many months in my belief that (for my budget anyway) there was no topping my setup. I had advanced to the end of the asymptote (at least wrt transducers). Then I heard a pair of Martin Logan Aerius in San Diego (and sure, they were driven by some serious gear, with select recordings, in a treated room... I knew it was the whole system, not just the speakers), but regardless, I was hooked on stats. Not even the Maggies (IMHO) could match the transparency and tangibility I heard through the Aerius. I then made the mistake of visiting a similarly "disturbed" friend who happened to have a pair of classic CLS speakers driven by a thorens table and some s.e. triodes. Good God man! Wha? How'd? You can't! I never! and so on. Beyond magic (at least in what they did right). So began my love affair with Martin Logan. People will argue, as they inevitably did and do, that ML sound "plasitcy" or the just don't blend well with low end augmentation (which until recently, I would have to agree with) - but I will say this: Never has a friend ever visited me here in the dedicated 2-channel chamber/shrine/alter and been anything less than blown-away by the relative excellence of any of my past ML transducers. Suffice it to say that after having listened to Sequels and SL3s for a while, I always felt like I was most "at home". I even took a side trip to Maggie 3.6r land... loved them, but they just never completely stole my heart (although that 48" ribbon tweeter still has to be one of the most amazing bits of hifi techno-wizardry on planet earth). Not to appear anything less than level-headed, I even revisited boxville... trying on a pair of mighty Sonus Faber Amati Homage.... eh... not worth the money. And following that, a pair of Gallo 3.1 Refs, different, pretty good even, but still "ain't planar". So why did I drag you kicking and screaming through such a neurotic "this is your hi-fi life"? Because I think history is important in order to truly understand anyone's position (on just about anything) they are involved with. Thus we come to the present. My system as described here is anything but virtual. The Summit X speakers are jaw-dropping (with truly outstanding low-end integration). The Bel-Canto MkII amps are uncanny. The MCD301 is wildly analogue sounding for a CD player. The cables, power conditioning, racks etc are all based more on logical technology/physics decisions than any voodoo (there are no stones or hallograph tridents to be seen). You want to hear how glorious this setup sounds? Well, you can't really, unless you happen to know me - and I invite you - assuming you bring an excellent Pinot Noir... but that's beside the point. If you have really good computer speakers, I invite you to listen to this youtube clip where someone posted a video of a pair of ML CLX speakers "reliving" the aural experience of a track "French Carol" from the awesome SACD "Cantate Domino" (Proprius - PRSACD 7762). Wow! (see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-iKjqIadSI)... now, we can all agree it's impossible to get a sense of a given system's performance by listening to the audio portion of a youtube clip... but something about this clip does remind me of the transcendent effortlessness of my system as it sound currently. Having said all this, I'm now obviously enchanted by the full-range CLX offering... but until I can figure out how to upgrade to that level of heaven, the current system will just have to do. Cheers to all!

UPDATE: CLX's have arrived, also changed many of the components. There is absolutely no question that the sound this system creates is the highest fidelity I've ever had the good fortune to hear. Thanks for looking :)
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    • Oppo BDP-93
    Enables playback of SACD with internal conversion from DSD to 24/88.2 LPCM
    • Martin Logan CLX ART
    Full Range Electrostat
    • PS Audio PPP
    Power Plant Premier
    • MapleShade Samson V.3
    two tiered V.3 with independent maple platforms (w/isoblocks and brass weights) for each component
    • White Zombie Audio El Chupacabra
    1 meter length matched pair - solid single strand silver connecting D/A to Power Amps
    • Morrow Audio SP6 Grand Reference
    2 meter matched pair
    • LessLoss DFPC
    Custom length DFPS power cables for all components
    • W4S DAC2
    State of the Art DAC with SABRE 32 d/a
    • Olive 04HD
    Wireless Hi-Res Music Server with 2G HDD
    • ModWright KWA150SE
    Two amps, each bridged to mono - 600W/ch

Comments 50

Just a wonderful listening room......
Congratulations.....these things don't come easily....
Enjoy....

halcro

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Impressive.
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mitch4t

Great system, great story!

Regards, and enjoy,
Dan

islandmandan

Absolutely stunning, one of best rooms I have seen. Enjoy the music.

needfreestuff

Owner
Thanks 'Dude... I appreciate the positive feedback. It is indeed a passion for many of us. On the text formatting, I'm afraid the text input field decided to de-paragraph my historical accounting despite my best intentions.

Perhaps the tool is a bit more paragraph-friendly these days?

tsv_1

Owner
Audiohound - thanks for the kind words. I have no direct experience with the Ascent so I'm afraid I can't weigh in with any meaningful opinions. However,since the Ascent does not include any internal amplification for the woofer, I can see where higher power amplification may be in order, depending on your listening preferences. The PLs are wonderful amplifiers and I'm sure they would sound fantastic with the Ascents... as to whether or not 80W/ch would be sufficient for you, is impossible for anyone but you to say. Good luck and happy listening.

tsv_1

Good read. I love your passion. Paragraphs are a good thing.

audiodude1aol

Very nice system. With your experience regarding the PrimaLuna Dialogue Seven amplifiers, do you think they would be a good match with Martin Logan Ascent speakers? I'm questioning whether or not they provide enough power.

Thanks,
Bill

audiohound

Owner
Sure... mine are the Signature eddition. Details here: http://www.modwright.com/products/kwa-150-signature-edition.php

tsv_1

Hi can you tell me the differences between your kwa150 amp and the and the the 2 for sell on AGON thank you.

kwa69

Owner
They remind me of the CLX speakers in that they sounded incredible out of the shoot, and just keep getting better as they burn in. They are also a match made in heaven for the CLXs - big power, tons of articulation and finesse, not overaly clinical - highly musical. I'm thrilled!

Cheers

tsv_1

How are you liking the mod amps after a few months .

kwa69

Yes I know about the Ml forum but I've never been on it .Your amps look amazing I did a search on AG I thank I found one its a. KWA150 not sure its same 150 2 .would it sound better than a Mac 402 on a pair of cls's

kwa69

Owner
Kwa, do you know about the ML Users forum? If not, check it out... maybe someone there can shed some light on where you might be able to hear the CLXs locally (or relatively nearby). Cheers

http://www.martinloganowners.com/forum/

tsv_1

I've tried but nobody has a pair on display in DFW. I have heard alot different ML's mostly like mine they all sound great I've been a fan for along time 20 years I've turned alot of friends from boxes to stats they all get hooked . I do have a friend that I've helped build his HT the front sound stage has a pair of CLS's each has it's own REL and a pair of smaller stats as his center its best I've ever heard but nothing like what you have yours is truly amazing .

kwa69

Owner
Yeah... I need to update the glowing pic to show the ModWrights... I'll add a few pics now that I do have.

If you've never heard the CLX's, run don't walk to your nearest dealer/audiophile and check them out.There ability to project audio reality is unreal ;)

And yes, I initially thought the 70W/ch PLs were sufficient, but after time I realized I was hearing compression. The CLXs are uncanny in painting the true picture of the gear driving them. The MWs are an amazing match for the CLXs... virtually endless reserves - even when playing loud.

tsv_1

Looks awesome don't see KWA AMPS love the CLX's I've never had a chance to listen to them before I bet they got the munchies for power.

kwa69

Thanks for taking the time to write the story of your arrival. The pretty pictures and impressive list (very, on both counts) really come to life when we're allowed in on your process.

poprhetor

I really enjoyed reading about your journey thru audioland. It is very simular to my journey. I still remember my simple but awesome sounding (at least to me)system in the 70's. Having owned all types of speakers at various price points you have me craving for another pair of stats. However my choice would be a pair of Soundlabs.
Currently running a very simple but incredible sounding system with box speakers.

bobheinatz

Looking forward to your update on the new SS amps compared to your former Summit X/tube experience. Beutiful system my brother!

jimbojrjb

Owner
KWA... you are right... I'm just waiting on delivery of my ModWright amps an will update. Cheers.

tsv_1

Whats up you need to update your system.

kwa69

Owner
Jimbo,

I described to KSA above why I've made the switch. The presentation with tubes and the CLX is outstanding. Amazing even.The problem is, for me, the CLX are uncannily honest... literally to a fault. Anything at all that approaches imperfection upstream is exposed naked for all to see (hear). I was absolutely hearing compression on fairly complex passages at not-unrealistically loud levels. In my question for Nirvana (unattainable as it is ultimately), I simply found I could not tolerate the compression. I've had big airy powerful SS amps in the past and loved them. Time to try it again with the CLX.

tsv_1

it's interesting everybody says tubes don't have enough juice for ML's due to the wacky impedence................i personally have had no issues nor a better presentation, your thoughts?

jimbojrjb

Owner
Kwa - I've built MOSFET amps in the past and know a little (just enough to get into trouble) about how they tend to act more like tubes versus typical bipolar transistors if properly designed. Since I knew I needed/wanted high power, and I also felt as though MOSFETS were the right path, I started looking around for a fit. Once I found ModWright, I opened some dialogue with Dan Wright and asked him about specific aspects of his design. In the end, his response to my query, especially around his implementation of the power supply, coupled with the 650W/ch (bridged into 4 Ohms) and ability to drive even lower impedances while remaining completely stable, sold me on the KWA-150SEs.

tsv_1

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