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My 2 channnel Stereo rig resides in the basement.

Room dimension are 14x19. The speakers are 6 10 " apart setup in an equalateral triangle.

I have the speakers 3.5 feet from the front and back walls (back wall distance varies depending on where I place my listening chair)

The imaging is solid now I'm currently working on improving overall depth and soundstaging

The room acoustics in this room are quite complicated The room is a difficult layout with lot's of restrictions. GIK Acoustics room treatments have helped to even out the room nodes

but there is still quite a bit of tinkering left

Ideas/suggestions how to further improve the existing layout and performance is welcome !

Thanks for stopping by
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Components Toggle details

    • Dodd Audio 120 Monoblocks
    120 Watt el34 Push Pull Design Upgraded with Chrome Finish
    • Ridge Street Sason LTD
    Musical epiphany right here
    • Exemplar Audio 2900
    Upgraded Siltech Wiring
    • Reality Cables Custom Shotgun
    Bi Wired Config
    • KCI silkWorms 1 metre
    Interconnects Amp to Pre pre to cdp
    • Lenco L-75 Jean Nantais with Upgrades
    Lenco L-75 in a Wooden Plinth with Audiomods Arm and Ortofon 2m Bronze Paul Hynes Phono stage

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Owner
Downsizing as a result of a move
Stay tuned

musicfile

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Thanks Al for the feedback
You sir are a smart man !

The system is sounding very good and I'm a happy man for now -)

musicfile

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Added an Audiomods arm
Woohoo what a nice upgrade in sound !!

musicfile

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System edited: new pics

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I'm sure they would

Thanks John for the comments

It's definitely work in progress

musicfile

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new pics

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Hi Kevin
Coming over and with your measurement tool I want to test the following if it's ok with you
.i'm trying to get the decay of energy more similar from the right to the left speaker. by looking at decay time graphs ETC graphs and being able to drill into one-octave bands of the ETC I can see if the current treatment has addressed most of the issues and work on improving the room further

Let me know when is a good time to give you a shout so we can set this up

Thanks for offering
Pat

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musicfile

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yes good memory
This rooom has it's challenges

musicfile

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Samhar
Have you ever tried moving the speakers further into the room. How did it sound

I have thought about moving the speakers forward out of the nook

musicfile

Owner
Thanks for the input Samhar
I'm always open to viable suggestions
I will definitely try what you suggested

musicfile

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I would love for you to swing by
My chair is further back then the previous seating arrangement and I have addressed the side reflections
The ceiling has also been addresed by placing absorbers at the first reflection points

I may be hearing things but I have some echo on certain tracks this could be slap echo
The LF are better in this arrangement just missing a bit of air in the instruments

Give me a shout and we can hook up

musicfile

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Hi Kevin
The sound is different
I would like to hear a bit more highs
Not sure how to accomplish this
Any idea where I should add diffusion

I was thining perhaps for the side reflections using some wood over the gik 242 to get some of the highs back
Does this make sense ?

musicfile

Owner
Thanks for the feedback

The dodds are based on feedback of a friend who I trust his ears and has similar musical preferences
I also knew there was a good synergy between amp and speaker combination

The Lenco is truly a diamond in the rough
those idlers do a lot of things right IMO

musicfile

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musicfile

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Work in progress my friend
You're welcome to come by anytime

musicfile

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New pics are coming
The room has been swapped 90 degrees

musicfile

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Hi Kevin

Not sure at this point... you have to come over and find out
I need your keen ears and experience to determine what i'm hearing differntly

Give me a shout and we can arrange a date for you to come over

musicfile

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Samhar it's all about the musical journey the destination to me is secondary

Enjoy the music !!

musicfile

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Hi Todd Thanks for dropping in !
I listen to vinyl mostly these days and my tuner Jazz and Classical are my favs
The Sason's are very true to the source and have amazing neutrality without sounding lean or analytical
I enjoy them immensely

musicfile

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Swapping out the tubed monster and replacing it with a plasma definitely helps in soundstage and imaging
I need to play a bit more with speaker positioning but what I'm hearing is definitely a step in the right direction

Samhar your system looks awesome !

musicfile

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musicfile

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Thanks I still have to some resonance problems as my room is not symetrical but all in all it sound good !

musicfile

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The tv is finally gone
Everthing stays the same

musicfile

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Doh !! I get it
All those flavours of ice cream is making me hungry !!

I see The room is looking very good!

musicfile

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Thanks jim for the write up.. both amps are very good it's like choosing between vanilla and chocolate

It's time for you to jump into the vinyl pool I really enjoy my digital but for a change of pace spinning some vinyl is always good

Take care
Pat

musicfile

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Hi Jim
Good to hear from you again
Yup the room is the thing and mine is not ..lol
The system is sounding really good and quite happy
but like everything in this hobby we strive for that extra smidge of added detail/harmonics to reach the unattainable

The tt is amazing best purchase for the least amount of bucks and learned a hell of a lot in the process
Those Lenco's are musical as all heck imo

Will update my pictures when the move is completed

Do you prefer the butlers over the dodds now that you have had some time with them ?

musicfile

Owner
Re orientation of the room in progress
Will move my speakers/system to the short wall and have the speakers fire longwards
The large television is on it's way it and will be replaced with a plasma

I'm hoping this is a worthwhile change in sonics

musicfile

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System edited: New pics good music great sound

musicfile

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ThankS Art for the compliments
i'm doing OK - I appreciate you asking
Your room and system are in a whole different league
baby steps will get me there one day
For today I enjoy the rig and enjoy the music

Take care buddy
Pat

musicfile

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Thanks Samhar
The room she's a beauty alright
The music is starting to flow in a good way
Cheers
Pat

musicfile

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System edited: Experimenting with speaker positoning speakers pushed back and toed in ..so far so good

musicfile

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Those russian pio caps in the dodds did the trick
A bit more speaker postioning and the system is dialing in

musicfile

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System edited: Coupling caps upgraded on the Dodds ..burning them in as we speak more later

musicfile

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Thanks Dan
All the best !!
Pat

musicfile

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Hi Dan
Thanks for stopping by and offering up some suggestions
to my room quandries

your idea is a good one ! and i'm sure under different situation this placement would would work very well, but you knew this was coming the "room" acts as our living room area and by moving the speakers to fire along the short wall this leaves little room for the couch and television and makes for a cramped space ..something the family will not go for ...Thanks for trying ..perhaps my next house

Another option is to swing my speakers to the opposite wall this could work quite well. The only drawback is my listening chair would be situated under the lowest part of the ceiling ..and that creates it's own set of issues

Perhaps my next house ..

Cheers
Pat

musicfile

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Steveallen,

Thanks for chiming in and providing your input

I will try to answer your questions above one by one

My speakers are positioned in an equalateral triangle 6'7"
measuring from the middle of the speakers
My speakers are 4 feet from the front wall as per the manufacturer recommendations the further out the better
My listening chair is 4 feet from the back walls

I would love to move the left speaker approx 24 inches as you suggested but that is not possible as there is a diagonal wall in the way that prevents this from being a viable option also my electronics is right next to the left speaker if you look at pictures

Next home perhaps I can really here what these particular Sasons are capable of for the time being I continue to enjoy the music

Any other suggestions taking into consideration the room and it's challenges are very much appreciated

Pat

musicfile

Owner
Good suggestion Oregon - I did that last night
Nice improvement

The room despite the angles is sounding really very good at the moment ..

Thanks for all your help

musicfile

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System edited: Shuffled things up a bit new pics of the room

musicfile

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Any idea what angle of toe in I would need to cross 2 feet in front of me. I currently have them toed in about 15 %

musicfile

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Oregon
It's one of JN older designs
Back in the day it was one of Jean's show pieces he used to demo
I'm using an Ortofon 2m Bronze
Thanks for the compliments
Pat

musicfile

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System edited: Opinions needed to elevate the system to that next level

musicfile

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System edited: Played around with speaker positioning The speakers are now further apart better soundstaging

musicfile

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System edited: Lenco L-75 added as well as a Paul Hynes Phonstage on the way. Feeling pretty good at the moment

musicfile

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Jumping into the vinyl game stay tuned ...

musicfile

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Anytime Samhar
I'm glad I could help

musicfile

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Hi Jim
I appreciate the comments it's nice to hear !!

These are the original Sasons. RSAD has come out with the Sason Si which are shorter and improved.

The Alethius Power cords are are revelation to me I'm absolutely floored with the improvements these cords have made to the Dodds.

musicfile

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System edited Ridge Street Alethius in circluation on the dodds. Will post impressions shortly

musicfile

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Eric How are you
I've spoken to you on the phone numerous instances and everyone of your tweaks I've implemented with great results ..I'm waiting on a pair of Alethius power cords to put on my dodds

I'm now concentrating on shoring up my digital needs and considering some pro audio options to get me there i've heard a sample and in comparison to using itunes it's light years ahead

Would love to give you a shout sometime
Take Care
Pat

musicfile

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Thanks for the input ST

I was thinking more along the lines of Dennis Moore new Ultra Fi Dac hooked up to a mac mini
Or I could just as easily attach a high end dac to my present cdp ..not sure at this point

musicfile

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time to swap out the cd player and look at computer based options

Any ideas what I should be looking at

musicfile

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Hi Samhar
Apologies for spelling your name incorrectly in the above post

musicfile

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Hi Sandhar

It makes a big difference in terms of overall imaging. Without the panel the soundstaging is not precise and all over the place once the panel is put into place the music from the sweet spot snaps into place

GIK Traps are very good and what they do as you can see i'm a huge fan of Glenn's products

In your instance I'm not so sure it will make a dramatic impact as a panel tv does not give off near the same reflections as a tube tv but for what it costs in my opinion is worth a try

I hope this helps

musicfile

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Sir Speedy
Thanks for taking the time to post here

I will post my impressions once I have a few hundred hrs on them.

musicfile

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System edited: More pics to come

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A purchased a pair of Ridge Street Sassons
New pics are on their way

musicfile

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Hansen Speakers have everything I look for in a speaker.
Massive Soundstaging ,spot on imaging, dynamics....

I've heard these many times ..their offices are around the corner from me

The Elixir would do fine for me ..

musicfile

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System edited: Added a room sketch with Proposed Treatments

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System edited: New Pics Added

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System edited: System edited trying out the morrow speaker cables swapped out the reality cables interesting to say the least

musicfile

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Next Stop Room Treatments !!

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John's Silkworms IC
Morrow Audio Power cords

musicfile

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Yes
I'm still very happy with the Dodds

A few tweaks have made them that much better

musicfile

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Thanks for the tip Chad
I'm interested in the Ridge Street Sasons
I'm not certain if that is rear ported however.. will check it out

musicfile

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Seriously considering upgrading my speakers
I would like to stay with a monitors or find a speaker with a small footprint

musicfile

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Anybody ????

musicfile

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I was hoping to get some input from my fellow peers

Further opinions on Room setup is highly appreciated

musicfile

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Thx Paul
What i'm hearing is quite good

I was thinking of postioning the speakers on either sides of the television
What are you thoughts on this setup

musicfile

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Sorry Guys pictures are a little outdated Decor etc
The room hasn't changed however

musicfile